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Thread: How to handle stubborn opinionated girls?

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    Default How to handle stubborn opinionated girls?

    Greetings gents and Merry Christmas to all of you

    As the title suggests, how to handle stubborn opinionated girls? I've met this girl online she always persists in her opinion like crazy, it's majorly important to her that she "wins" every single argument. She can insist and persist all night if she has to. And of course after each argument she'll be like "ohhh so you admit defeat". She will make stingy comments all the time as in "you change that to defend your male ego" "remind me never to take what a man says literally again"

    I've already called her game once telling her "it seems you can persist all night and it's really important to you that you win this argument. Stubborn you said or borderline mental?"

    Majorly annoying and most competitive to the point where I'm debating not going out with her.

    Assuming I do though as she's quite hot and I'm curious and she's already agreed to go out with me, how do you handle such girl characters without succumbing to their game and coming across as completely beta and perhaps building some attraction even?

    a) be as persistent as they are trying to overcome their points with sheer intelligence? (I'm probably smarter than she is but I doubt that will work on a stubborn individual. If anything it will make her more stubborn)
    b) Keep calling her game and tell her she's behaving like a child? (diffusing tension? killing attraction?)
    c) insert your suggestion here as I really have no idea since I generally avoid such annoying people>

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    Default Re: How to handle stubborn opinionated girls?

    Woah man you like this girl write it down till it sticks 77 times.
    You might have set up the bantering frame and shes going with it.May Stop it.ask her out and push ahead.

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    Default Re: How to handle stubborn opinionated girls?

    Hold on, are you having actual debates with her? If that's the case, then you're doing it all wrong. Politics and religion have no place in pickup because they are such heated topics to talk about. Just avoid it, and focus on flirting. Flirting is fun, and it's the safest and smartest method to travel. If you aren't having debates with her, then disregard this.

    Here is something that you need to take into consideration: lighten up. You're trying to attract a woman while having a fun time yourself. You're not having any fun if you're always getting miffed by everything she says. In addition, you can't take everything so seriously. If you want to have a shot with he r, or with any girl in general, you have to be able to take things with a playful lightheartedness. This comes in the form of teasing her, making fun of what you are both saying, and simply ignoring the topic all together.

    Try doing this more, especially during the next meet up, and you should have a really good shot.
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    Default Re: How to handle stubborn opinionated girls?

    I'm dealing with a girl just like that right now. Ignore most of it or just remain playful. I was talking to the girl yesterday over the phone and she was giving me shit so I told her next time we meet up that I'm going to body slam her ass. The more shit she talked the more her counter went up. Gives me a good reason to pick her up off her feet next time I see her lol.

    Only get serious if she throws a shit test. Example: the same girl above was giving me shit like I said earlier. I told her we're hanging out next week and gave her a time. We live 45 min apart and usually meet half way. This time she gives me shit by saying she's not driving, and that I must be crazy if I think she's going to drive at all this time. It was clearly a shit test because she had been giving me shit throughout the convo so I got serious and alphaed her. After her going on about how shes not driving I said, "I'm going to drive half way. You're going to drive half way. You're going to park, get out of your car, and get into mine. I'm going to drive from there and then bring you back. This is not negotiable." Worked like a charm

    Let me add, don't be afraid to agree to disagree. You have your points, she has hers, you don't agree with each others points, that's fine.

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    Default Re: How to handle stubborn opinionated girls?

    You are never going to win an argument with a creature like this based on the sheer intelligence of your argument. Logic doesn't appeal to her.

    Think about how most of her relationships go down.

    1. She meets guy who finds her very attractive. (HB 8, 9, 10?) She likes the attention. (Isn't it funny how women who hate men still love their attention?)
    2. The guy discovers that she is a complete head-case/borderline feminist.
    3. The guy does one of two things.
    a. Becomes compliant with her abrasive personality.
    b. Tries to fight her stubborn feminist views with his own arguments.
    4. Neither of these approaches work.
    5. The guy gets frustrated, and as a last ditch effort he calls her out in hope she might realize that she has many issues and is in need of a lifestyle change.
    6. The guy's advice about the girl's many probable psychological disorders fall on deaf ears, and life goes on. (Notice how him sleeping with her is not part of this list)

    Now, don't take this as an absolute, obviously you could probably tolerate her behavior long enough to sleep with her if you really wanted to. But, if you want to have fun with it this is what I recommend. Keep in mind you are only going to want to do this if you are actually an alpha male. Why? Because a real alpha male would never tolerate a woman constantly trying to get him to "admit defeat." Similarly, a real alpha would never care about losing one particular woman.

    Your mindset needs to change. I doubt she has encountered many guys that have been able to laugh off everything she says, so if you can pull that off you have a good shot.

    Just be everything she has never seen in a man. Don't be a subservient beta. Don't be an angry beta who gets mad and calls her out.

    Be an alpha who doesn't take anything she does seriously, and is purely out for his own amusement. Let me repeat that, you are purely out for your own amusement.

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    Default Re: How to handle stubborn opinionated girls?

    Brilliant write up general.

    So the consensus is don't take her seriously and laugh her off. I like the idea and I agree wholeheartedly. One issue. What are some example answers I can use when I see such an argument emerging and show that I'm just having fun with her rather than avoiding the conflict.

    Examples:
    She has the tendency to try and force her frame that "I have to meet her conditions and she will be the one to ultimately decide" (she actually said that).

    Another example is:
    her: "you said you're cooking for me on the first date and after I said we go for coffee first you changed it to defend your male ego"
    me: bold word to say I suggested a date. (I hadn't) And this debate is rather silly, my ego is not that sensitive
    her: oh ho he admits defeat! (note to self: never take what a man says literally)
    (wtf??)

    She will try to sting and twist these things probably for the sake of getting on my nerves. Need some example answers that show I'm not taking her seriously and NOT that I'm afraid of the conflict OR letting her get away with it and end up triggering her disrespect.

    Perhaps treat it as a shit test like lilsting suggests? Agree and amplify?

    FYI I'd say she's an HB 7-8

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    Default Re: How to handle stubborn opinionated girls?

    I am just going to tell you one thing, just by reading your title "how to deal with stubborn opinionated girls"

    don't try to change their opinions.

    instead be open minded to their ideas, that's not saying you can't disagree with them about things you feel strongly about, but if you both disagree, just "agree to disagree"

    it's majorly important to her that she "wins" every single argument.
    the problem here is that you even bother to argue with her. the best argument is the one that never happens. that's not saying you cannot have arguments, but make sure you pick your battles.

    she probably enjoys starting arguments and you seem to fall for the bait. contributing against her is like trying to put a fire out with gasoline. like it or not, being able to avoid conflicts is one of the best skills you can learn. it is useable in every area of your life.
    I learned this from being a martial artist, when I was a white belt, I was itching for a fight, I wanted to be able to best my opponent. however martial arts taught me one of the most important things I've ever learned, have the self control to avoid un-necessary battles, because the best fight is the one that never happens.


    its ok to disagree with someone, just know when to draw the line and quit arguing. you're probably not going to change any of her deep rooted opinions.
    so next time you get into an argument, listen to what she has to say, give her your take on it (no more than one paragraph.) and then agree to disagree, whatever you do, don't try to change her opinions.

    btw its good that she is willing to reveal her opinions and possibly emotions about things to you, that's a good sign that you're getting deeper into the comfort stage.

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    Default Re: How to handle stubborn opinionated girls?

    There is only one way to handle stubborn and opinionated girls. Flirt, face it most girls are like this. That's just the way girls are man they love drama. They all have their own drama queen inside even if you don't notice it right away they can be enticed with the wrong emotion. Everytime I get tooled for getting mad, angry, upset, sad, depressed, insecure I lose the argument everytime. When I am acting confident, fun, flirty, in an uncomfortable situation I win everytime. First you will never appeal to her logic like they said as women are very simple creatures in theory (key word IN THEORY), and flirting is like the only thing they have no defense to or battle plan for. Everytime I was getting yelled at or accused of something in Set or via Text I just throw out a fun flirty comment it will kill the negative energy and then gets me the stamp of approval normally. This is called "wit" turning a adverse situation into a positive one something I am very good at. What I am not good at is when I experience all the validation it just kills me and goes to my head and then I lose it again! Any advice for that and mad props. Generally just be your best self and when the argument gets really heated throw out a fun flirty comment (or Flirty NEG) it will throw her off balance and she'll go for a real loop if done properly, she will love you like true love for about 1 minute then when you get the huge green light try to control it as when I get the green light often I lose it as I don't know where to go from there. I love breaking through but I hate not knowing what to do. Any thoughts? But remember don't always flirt all the time because that will get you into the Beta category. Got to calibrate. But use flirting as your end game strategy (and Mid-Game) when things go awry, never use negative emotions in hopes for a positive outcome. Use positive emotions like flirting when they are negative and it works like a charm!
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