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    Default Mystery method, Juggler method, David Deangelo, Real Social Dynamics

    I learned Mystery Method, now I'm learning the juggler method, David Deangelo's stuff, and Real Social Dynamics. I'm trying to blend them.

    The best merit of Mystery Method is that it provides a structure of the game, that is, open, female-to-male interest, male-to-female interest, comfort, and seduction. I feel "seduction" is not a good name for the end game, before seduction means that you use some tricks to get a girl to do something she doesn't want to do in the first place or you use some tricks to get something from a girl which she doesn't want to give in the first place. Or maybe we can understand "seduction" from another perspective. A girl wants sex, physiologically, but there are 2 factors which impede her having sex, one is social conditioning, a girl is not supposed to have sex with a man whom she just met a short time ago; the other factor is her concern like safety or whatever. Anyway, if you have a better word to replace "seduction", please let me know.

    In Mystery method,you open a set with an opener, usually a non sequitur which means not situational. I think that it is because it is in a night club or bar, people are relaxed, they are social, they are expecting some unrecognized guys to talk to them from time to time, another reason is that they are a group, for example, if a guy approaches a girl alone, since the girl is alone, she will emote and make decisions by herself, she may think, "This guy is weird. I'd better get rid of him." But if this girl is in a group, she may think that this guy is weird, but she will look to the other members of the group to see how they react, she may even not think if this guy is weird since she unconsciously leaves this job to other members of this group, and the other members of group probably do the same thing as this girl.

    I think it is probably weird to use non-sequitur openers in day game when people are not that relaxed, not subconsciously expecting a guy to talk to her, so a situational opener works probably better. What do you think of?

    In Mystery Method, during A2, a PUA demonstrates high values while ignoring the target or even negging her, as if the PUA is not interested in the target, why does this make the target interested in the PUA? I think that it is because the target is a hot girl, and she has experienced that many guys are very nice to her, very friendly to her, treat her as a princess, put her on a pedestal, she gets bored with those guys. A PUA doesn't put her on a pedestal and even dare neg her, she will see the PUA as a real man, who is unaffected in front of a hot girl.

    About demonstrating values:
    In Juggler method, a person who has value doesn't have to show value, a person who shows he has value shows that he doesn't have value.
    I think the thinking is as follows:

    Why do you show your value?
    Probably because you don't feel secure about yourself, you don't feel confident in yourself, you want people to know that you have value.
    Why do you want people to know that you have value?
    It is because you value people, you think that they are important, you think that they have value, and you want to show your value to get their approval, and people can sense that, a hot girl can sense that.

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    Default Re: Mystery method, Juggler method, David Deangelo, Real Social Dynamics

    But why does it work in a night club or bar setting in Mystery Method? I think that it is because it is in a night club or bar, people are looking for fun, for entertainment, they don't care that much as long as you are fun and interesting because that's what people look for. However, even that, in Mystery method, you don't blatantly try to impress the target, you have a wingman, and the wingman will do accomplishment introduction for you, the wingman will help show your value.

    So I'd like to say that it is OK to show your value, and you should not impress her. You don't want to trigger the button in the target's mind, "Oh, this guy is trying to impress me." Combined with real social dynamics, it is to show who you are. There are many ways to show who you are, without overtly trying to impress the girl. Your body language shows who you are, how you walk, how you sit, learn in or learn back, your tonality, your pace of speaking, your eyes, your shoulders, and you can also include DHV spikes in a story. In one word, it is OK to demonstrate your value as long as you won't make her feel that you are trying to impress her.

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    Default Re: Mystery method, Juggler method, David Deangelo, Real Social Dynamics

    Well, if you use Mystery Method materials, the interaction/conversation may not be that natural, since it is not spontaneous. If you use Juggler method, you can make the conversation more natural and spontaneous, you try to have the girl talk more, contribute more in the interaction. You don't use a script or canned materials, you are not obsessed with the words which are already in your mind, instead, you listen to her, listen to what she says and respond to what she says, comment on what she says. How do you achieve it? You can comment on what she says, for example, if she mentions Australia, you can say, "Australia, I like Australia, I want to visit it and I even want to live there if possible." You can ask a question about what she just mentioned, as if you are really interested in it, you can playfully accuse her based on what she said, you can share your own experience/story related to what she said. In one word, you focus on what she says and use what she said as a link which leads to what you say, in this way, she will feel that the conversation is a result of the natural flow of conversation, and she may even think that it is her who leads the conversation. When you focus on her, you listen to what she says, you will know what she is interested in, what she knows a lot, and you get her to talk about it, in this way, you don't have to talk a lot, she will talk a lot.

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    Default Re: Mystery method, Juggler method, David Deangelo, Real Social Dynamics

    Among Mystery, Juggler, David Deangelo, Tyler Durden, I personally like Juggler most. He looks friendly, kind,amiable, easy to get along with. His method is very real, genuine. Mystery is quite tall, he is quite intimidating, his voice is not as cordial as Juggler, his eyes are not cordial.

    David Deangelo teaches cocky & funny. This may be good to spark attraction, but I don't think that we can over-use it. But once that attraction is built, you don't and should not be always cocky & funny. Why? Because you are always cocky & funny, you may seem unreal, she may think that you wear a facade, she may think that you are cool, but she won't feel emotionally connected to you, because she can't feel emotionally connected to a guy who is like an illusive castle in the air. She wants to know that you are a person of flesh and blood.

    However, I am always rational, therefore I'm quite unemotional and impersonal. I don't drink, don't smoke, don't go to a night club or bar, I only like work and study. I live a satisfying life even without girls. I enjoy living a solitary life. Girls who know me may think that I'm a good man, but they won't feel emotionally connected to me.

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    Default Re: Mystery method, Juggler method, David Deangelo, Real Social Dynamics

    Thoughts after learning the Juggler method:

    Instead always demonstrating our high values, sometimes it may be better to tell stories in which we acted stupid, we did something goofy. In this case, she will feel that you are real/genuine,she is also likely to share her stories in which she acted stupid, she did something goofy. After that, an emotional connection will be naturally built, and you can indicate your interest in her. I had this experience with a male German engineer. I am not a gay, he is not a gay, either. But I met this German engineer on the street a few years ago. We talked to each other. He told me his personal stories and how he felt. When I had to leave, I felt that there was some emotional connection between us. My point is, since this way works between two persons of the same gender, let alone between two persons of the opposite sex.

    Of course, it is not good to do this at the beginning you meet a girl, because it will make you fall into the friend zone as Mystery said. It should be done after there is some attraction. In Mystery Method, it should be in comfort phase, but I think it is OK as long as you pass A2(Female-to-male attraction).

    Make the conversation personal and describe how you felt like:
    When you talk to a girl, you can have a lot to talk about, you may talk about politics, talk about Obama, talk about celebrities, history, technology, books, movies, etc., you both can talk a long time about those stuff and it can be interesting. However, without going personal, the relationship between you two are still superficial, you both won't genuinely feel emotionally connected to each other. You are talking about stuff which is out of you and her, you don't go personal.

    What is going personal?
    You tell each other something you or she personally experienced, and you or she was the protagonist in the stories. You don't objectively and unemotionally what happened to you, instead, you talked about how you felt from the beginning to end in that experience. She also does the same. You can talk the relationship between you and your parents, your other family members, your teachers, your bosses, your classmates, your co-workers, etc., as long as it involves your emotions. When you listen to her stories, don't try to rationally or logically pacify her, instead you demonstrate that you understand her, don't cut her off, you try to feel how she felt.

    Real Social dynamics emphasizes the concept of "Who you are", it is true and untrue. Have you thought of a character in a TV series or movie, who is evil and always does bad things, the character is detestable, you hate him very much, however, the actor who plays that role is actually a very person in real life. What does it mean? It means that we sometimes can really be who we are not, we can fake ourselves. But of course, what you need to behave and what you need to say align with who you are, it is easier for you to behave and say, because that's how you naturally are and you don't need to act.

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    Default Re: Mystery method, Juggler method, David Deangelo, Real Social Dynamics

    To be unaffected, no matter how bitchy she is, don't treat her as a kid who acts immaturely, don't feel bothered or angry, if she can get you angry or you can be affected by her attitude towards you,you immediately lose your attractiveness, therefore you lose the opportunity to finally win her. If you don't be affected, sooner or later, she will start to like you.

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    Default Re: Mystery method, Juggler method, David Deangelo, Real Social Dynamics

    Waypoint question in Mystery Method
    The Blind Driver Metaphor in Juggler method
    When there is some attraction between the target and you, when you approach a set, you should ask a waypoint question, "So how do you know each other?"

    If you approach a girl alone, you should ask, "So who are you here with?" You don't want to drive blindly.

    I'm wondering if it is online dating, what question should be asked, should we ask, "So what's your relationship situation?"

    Ask the question before you want to progress anticipating to have something with her, it is asked after you both are sort of attracted to each other.

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    Default Re: Mystery method, Juggler method, David Deangelo, Real Social Dynamics

    oftentimes guy worry about what to say. So now we talk about what to say when we are with a girl. You want the girl to talk as much as possible.
    1. Be observant
    Observe what interesting item she wears and talk about it. It can be whatever on her body, if she has tattoo, you can talk about it. You can also talk about her hairstyle if you find it is beautiful.

    2. You guess what she knows a lot, and talk about it. You talk about something she knows a lot.

    3. You want to talk something about yourself, you ask her questions about the same thing before you talk it about yourself. For example, if you want to talk about your goals, you first ask her goals. After she talks about her goals, you can talk about your own goals. You want to talk about last book you read, you ask her what is the last book she read.
    4. You talk about something she just mentioned.

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    Default Re: Mystery method, Juggler method, David Deangelo, Real Social Dynamics

    When you talk about your experiences/stories, always try to describe/include your feelings all long in the experiences/stories. Remember, the storytelling is not to impart information, it is to let the girl who you are, what kind of person you are, only when you describe your feelings, you can make yourself vivid on her mind. What happened in the story is just a vehicle that delivers your emotions, or it is just skeleton, while your feelings are the flesh and blood.

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