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Thread: HB7 Super Flexible gets upset after Push/Pull & Negs, no more IOIS?

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    Default HB7 Super Flexible gets upset after Push/Pull & Negs, no more IOIS?

    I'm 18 and in Senior year of high school.
    So theres a HB7 Super Flexible in my class (I have a very hard scale) and last week I saw her for about 30 seconds at the end of class and I couldnt number close because I actually had to go. She gave me a ton of IOIS and I thought that I'd see her next class and then build off then.

    So next class comes around and I approach her and speak with her and her group of friends, but for some reason, I notice all the IOIs are gone. So I start the Mystery Engine, I shift gears into the M3 model, and noticed she kept bragging, so I responded with the lightest neg in the book, "Does she always brag like this? How do you deal with her?"

    This.... didn't turn out too well. She got upset and turned her back to me. I continued talking to her friends and eventually she got back into the conversation.

    I DHVed quite a bit, and then I tried push and pull on her. The slightest push (don't look at me like that) got her upset and she turned her back on me again.

    I then made up some reason why I had to go like an AFC and left without anything.

    I'm going to see this girl in two days again, and I want really want her.

    What are some ways to build attraction with a girl who wont respond to the normal methods and gets upset on the slightest issue?

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    Default Re: HB7 Super Flexible gets upset after Push/Pull & Negs, no more IOIS?

    I don't understand the "Super Flexible" thing.. You mean literally?

    There is a thin line between negging and just being a d1ck. If you're being a d1ck she is getting offended. If you are negging you should be light and playful about it. Most girls won't repsond well to being treated that way right off the bat, without any attraction and/or comfort established first.

    You're much better off making people (her friends) laugh and winning people over in her presence. Show confidence. Be awesome. Focus on these things more than Negging etc too early. Don't overgame her and don't overthink the situation.

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    Default Re: HB7 Super Flexible gets upset after Push/Pull & Negs, no more IOIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by twentynine View Post
    I don't understand the "Super Flexible" thing.. You mean literally?

    There is a thin line between negging and just being a d1ck. If you're being a d1ck she is getting offended. If you are negging you should be light and playful about it. Most girls won't repsond well to being treated that way right off the bat, without any attraction and/or comfort established first.

    You're much better off making people (her friends) laugh and winning people over in her presence. Show confidence. Be awesome. Focus on these things more than Negging etc too early. Don't overgame her and don't overthink the situation.
    Thanks, I guess I'm just overdoing these things I find new.

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    Default Re: HB7 Super Flexible gets upset after Push/Pull & Negs, no more IOIS?

    Why are you negging.
    Stop negging girls.


    I NEVER neg girls. Wanna know why? because nobody is higher value than myself. Nobody is better than me. Thinking that a girl is too hot for you, or higher value, is a self-defeating mindset. You need this mindset.

    If you're not negging a girl to bring her value down, or to make her feel insecure, then why are you negging in the first place? To be a jerk? Let me know how that works out for you, while a "nice guy" like me takes her out for some ice cream. lolol.

    You probably should of coldread her and found out if she was insecure or had low self-esteem before you decided to be cocky to her FRIENDS and make her look stupid in front of HER friends.
    That's just being a jerk, and not only to her, but being a jerk in front of her friends.

    I honestly love that line, "is she always like this" to her friends, But you should only use it when she's Shit testing YOU to her friends, not when she's just trying to brag about something cool in her life.


    I actually had the girl I'm currently trying to become exclusive with, Shit test me in front of all her friends and I used that same line.
    (This was the first time I had ever talked to her outside of work, and way before I had gotten her number and stuff like 6 months ago. I still remember it because it was a classic textbook shit test in front of all her friends, and how I played it off perfectly.)
    Girl: Hey Kyle! What're you doing here?!
    Kyle: Whoa hey! Uhmm going to meet my friends what about you?
    Girl: Kyle, you're a loser and you don't have friends, we've already talked about this.
    Kyle: (Laughing and looking at her friends, turning my back to her and now re-engaging the entire group of friends.) Is she always a brat like this? I dig it.
    Group of girl: Yeah, blah blah blah qualifying that she's actually really nice,
    Girl: (Laughing, amused that I didn't break down and cry over her little shit test)

    Kyle: (Small talk some more) My friends are waiting for me, I have to go, later skaters, have fun doing whatever.



    Instead, try bringing people UP to your level. Make them excited to even have you in there presence because you're so awesome.

    Search the forums for Cody's "death to the neg" thread he wrote. It explains why you need to stop.

    This girl sounds insecure, and you sound like you were being a d1ckhead. Stop being a d1ck head. Next time you see her, actually try to relate with her and make her feel good. Then tell her that you really like the connection you guys have, and would love to get to know her better and pull her number. if she's not receptive to talk to you anymore (go figure) address the elephant in the room and Talk about how you got off on the wrong foot, and you were in a bad mood or something and that you apologize and want to be friends because she's really cool. Idk.

    You'll be okay, just don't neg girls unless she's a SHB10 model.

    Echoing what Twentynine said, high school game is all social game. Talk to her friends and win her friends over. Much easier said than done, but once you do that, you're golden.

    Stay golden ponyboy.

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    Default Re: HB7 Super Flexible gets upset after Push/Pull & Negs, no more IOIS?

    Kyle raises some really good points about negging. Let's talk a bit more about it, with an example from my Saturday..

    Last weekend I went on a first date with a HB8 that I met on POF (big surprise..). It may have been the best I've ever done on a first date, especially given how many shit tests I was given. I didn't necessarily Neg the girl at all. I didn't go in with a game plan except that when I met her, to make a quick analysis of the type of girl she was and make any necessary adjustments to my behaviour. Luckily for me, my natural cocky/funny attitude was the perfect ingredient for her personality.

    I got shit tested LIKE CRAZY. All farking night. In this particular situation the odd SLIGHT Neg was necessary. I would hardly even call them Negs though. Saying things like "Wow, you're kind of crazy" or "Are you serious right now? I don't know if I can hang out with you anymore!".. All in fun though! These little digs should make her laugh because they are playful.

    A couple times in the night she would shit test me by telling me I look my age after I would talk about how young everyone always thinks I am (this was a recurring shit test throughout the night, one of many).. I would be like "Ok fark this, I'm outta here!" and then pretend to run off, which made her laugh her ass off, then walk back over and put my arm around her and say something like "Don't worry baby, I'll never leave you". Playfully. Some pushing and pulling. Again, not really even Negging.

    Negging should simply be a way to duck out of shit tests, or change the direction of conversation when it is not in your favour. No one ever taught me this, this is simply something I've implemented into my game based on my own experiences, but I think it's a good way of looking at it. It works for me..

    At the end of the date she was kissing me and begging me to come home with her. Even after a full night of her calling me an "old man" (I'm only 29 lol, she was 23) and telling me I'm weird etc.

    Use "Negs" to show her that her shit tests have absolutely zero effect on you. Other than that, stay away from anything negative, and just keep being awesome. Make her laugh. I had this girl laughing literally the entire night, she's probably never laughed that much in one night in her life. That is key, and it takes a lot of confidence.

    Focus on yourself. Confidence. Congruence. Good vibes.. All that good stuff.

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    Default Re: HB7 Super Flexible gets upset after Push/Pull & Negs, no more IOIS?

    First off you should never NEG a 7 but maybe only 8's and up. I negged my last GF with "you look bored" as my opener and it hooked her immediately and went well from there on out. However negging should be flirty sometimes and negging 10's is supremely effective as they are used to guys bending over backwards of buying them drinks, never saying no, acting too nice, etc.
    When you let go of your feelings you can really then embrace your surroundings
    Love is a game that's why I don't worry about it anymore. When you let go of your feelings you find your meaning.
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    Default Re: HB7 Super Flexible gets upset after Push/Pull & Negs, no more IOIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyl3 View Post
    Kyle: Whoa hey! Uhmm going to meet my friends what about you?
    Girl: Kyle, you're a loser and you don't have friends, we've already talked about this.
    Kyle: (Laughing and looking at her friends, turning my back to her and now re-engaging the entire group of friends.) Is she always a brat like this? I dig it.
    Group of girl: Yeah, blah blah blah qualifying that she's actually really nice,
    Girl: (Laughing, amused that I didn't break down and cry over her little shit test)
    .
    Good example. I usually just agree with whatever they say. It's so easy and you don't have to think.

    Girl: Kyle, you're a loser and you don't have friends, we've already talked about this.

    Me: (Laugh) You're right! I don't have ANY friends. I'm surprised you even talk to me (Big smile).

    Before I joined these forums I didn't even know was a sh!t test was. I would do what I explained above and it always worked. That, or when they say something outrageous I give them the "Are you SERIOUSLY saying that right now" look in an amused way. They always respond with "Don't look at me like that"! To which I say "did that make ANY sense in your head (big smile)" That's about as far as I go with negging a girl.

    I don't like negging. It's not necessary. Make a girl feel good about herself! That will get you WAY further then negging her. Go ahead and playfully razz her, be cocky funny, but that's DIFFERENT then negging her! That's being playful and flirty!

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    Default Re: HB7 Super Flexible gets upset after Push/Pull & Negs, no more IOIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by DirectIsBest View Post
    Good example. I usually just agree with whatever they say. It's so easy and you don't have to think.

    This.

    As I was reading more into PUA,I created 3 rules for myself :

    1)Stop giving a damn.

    2)Control my own body language(keep it calm and laid back/coinfident).Took some time to get used to this.

    2)Never qualify to anyone.If I don't have anything smart to respond with,I either ignore the person or agree with them.
    After all if I start qualifying that means that the person actually got to me which was the whole point.


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