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    Default Indirect Openers Dead?

    Kosmo, the winner of the first season of VH1's "the pickup artist" went on an interview last year and basically said that indirect openers are dead, that the PUA scene is not underground anymore and that all canned material is well known.



    He advocates direct openers instead of this.

    Do you guys agree?

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    Default Re: Indirect Openers Dead?

    There are no rules to convincing a girl you are worthy of her interest. Honestly I'm starting to get a little tired of all this "Direct", "Indirect", "Cocky/funny" etc bullshit. It just confuses guys into thinking they have to put on a show.

    I just act how I feel in the moment. Sometimes you could consider it "Indirect", sometimes you might call it "Direct".

    Be congruent. That'll work better than both put together.

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    Default Re: Indirect Openers Dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidechain View Post
    Kosmo, the winner of the first season of VH1's "the pickup artist" went on an interview last year and basically said that indirect openers are dead, that the PUA scene is not underground anymore and that all canned material is well known.
    I use canned material the vast majority of the time. I use routines that I created so no one knows then. I can also make a woman's panties melt off in about 30 to 60 minutes with great consistency. so indirect openers aren't dead, the old ones and their delivery methods are simply played out.

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    Default Re: Indirect Openers Dead?

    I would definitely agree.

    The most effective approach is going to be whatever feels natural to you. You should strive to have your own identity & style, so you're not just some "generic PUA clone".

    I read lots of stuff & studied tons of techniques.
    Some of it made me uncomfortable to even think about using... so I scrapped those things & took ideas from what seemed to fit MY personality.

    And with a little tweak here & there, I was able to incorporate my own personal touch into it.

    For ME personally; the more direct, fun, confident, playful, flirty vibe works great... because that's my personality.
    Nothing seems fake or forced.

    That allows me to be relaxed & just have a great time; not worrying about the outcome.



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    Default Re: Indirect Openers Dead?

    I want to second what T-Mal said. It's about being congruent with who you are naturally. I'm funny and quick witted but when I used cocky funny I came across like a jerk. I'm far more effective being cool confident sexual alpha with fascinating conversation. Some people just give off a weird vibe if they try my style. my point is this if you are 6'3 260 play football. if you are 6'10 245 play basketball. use what naturally did you best.

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    Default Re: Indirect Openers Dead?

    Definitely agree with Kino!

    Some guys roll through "routines" so effortlessly & naturally that it just works.
    Other guys can pull off the cockiness without being an ass...
    And some guys do best when they're being more sensual/sexual, or fun and adventurous.

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    Default Re: Indirect Openers Dead?

    indirect game is not dead. however, canned routines from "the game" and "mystery method" are (they have been overused by all the pua companies in all the major cities)

    I think the best approach is a confident indirect that switches to direct game when I isolate. but that's just my personal style. the game hasn't changed that much.

    the truth about canned lines is that what you say isn't very important as long as it matches/displays your character. as david de angelo mentions in the book "double your dating" "humor is not in the joke, its in the character"

    gaming is all about displaying your unique personality. if canned material doesn't match that personality, you're shooting yourself in the foot by using it.


    that said, coming up with your own canned material is important. you will find that most girls end up asking the same questions as the last one you talked to. having some witty replies for those typically answered questions is perfectly fine as long as it matches your personality.

    btw, there is a time and a place for everything, direct game works better in some environments and indirect game works better in others, you just have to gauge the situation and choose how you want to go about it.


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