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    Default How to deal with cold/unresponsive girls?

    Hey guys,

    I am experimenting various styles at the moment until I decide which one I really want to integrate to my game.

    Most of times, I have been using the cube routine, which is great as a conversation-filler and as a way to keep the girl interested. But to be honest, I have had mixed results as I could not find any opportunities to kino.

    I had a date yesterday and I decided to pull the ring routine for a change. Sure, it's much shorter but at least you can kino

    This was the second time I was trying it out. The first time, the girl was really into me, so she gladly extended her arm for me to "play" with her fingers. I could tell she was loving it as she was looking me in the eyes and sometimes staring at my lips

    Yesterday however was kind of awkward. The girl was much less receptive (or so I felt).

    First of all, I could really feel a palpable tension when I took her hand. Her fingers were extremely tense (as if they were electrified), they were even shaking. Wtf was going on there? How do you deal with that type of situation? I could have mentioned that and tried to massage her hand, no?

    I really cannot understand what that meant. Some could say that she was stressed because she liked me. Yet, I didn't get any IOIs during the date, so that couldn't be it.

    I could not read this girl's personality and that troubled me as I didn't really know how to game her. I simply acted normally in the end and went for light kino (caressing her back/arm) when the situation presented itself. Overall, she was not reacting and I felt she was a cold person.

    Frankly speaking, I am not even sure she is interested in me in a romantic way. Some things to take into consideration:

    1) I went to a meetup with a colleague of mine and she sympathised with both of us. We agreed to all meet together again.
    2) I was trying to arrange a meeting for the 3 of us. The girl wanted to come but my colleague was not interested, so nothing happened.
    2) last Saturday, I invited her to the park to play frisbee and badminton and she immediately accepted. We stayed together 4 hours in the end without realising it.
    3) I asked if she wanted to go to the movies on Sunday and she immediately accepted as well. That's when I used the ring routine.
    4) She has no friends in town and she seemed happy to meet me and my colleague. She told me that she was going to these meetups to meet new friends but she could not really "click" with the other people there, and she was happy to have met me/us.
    5) She also confided a story where she met some guy at the meetup and they were getting along. The guy however liked her and she felt compelled to stop the friendship.

    So, I guess she is more looking for friends at this point. I will ask her out a couple of times more and if my suspicions are confirmed, I will let her go.
    Any advice/feedback from the info you read?
    How do I deal with unresponsive chicks? Shall I try the "make it or break it" method?

    Thanks in advance. Cheers.

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    Default Re: How to deal with cold/unresponsive girls?

    the cube is not for kino. no where in it's description of the routine does it say kino...

    if you want to do kino just do it. start off light and work your way heavily...

    if you're not getting any kino response then you've got a green light. women will only tell you when they don't like something unless she wants to direct you on how to escalate emotionally or sexually. you had a greenlight for kino--but how was your eye contact? was there a strong gaze? it sounds like you expect women to react to everything to give you red or greenlights. you have to go into this with the mindset that everything is green until they tell you its red--but you have to calibrate while starting light and friendly so you don't offend.

    if she's only looking for friends and you're looking for more you should tell her asap--or else you're just wasting your time. no need to hang out like 10 times to figure out she doesn't want to have a sexual relationship with you.

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    Default Re: How to deal with cold/unresponsive girls?

    Thanks! Good point about the kino response. I will keep it in mind for future dates

    As for eye contact, I did everything by the book and I could not feel any sexual tension (I have had it before, so I know how it feels when a girl likes you and stares back at you). Maybe she is the shy type. But my problem was the lack of IOIs. Sure, I should not wait for green lights, but IOIs do show if you are making any progress. In her case, even though she was friendly, I could not feel any warmth/connection.

    I should be careful with that one. I really don't want to waste my time, especially when I am gaming one other girl in parallel.

    I got really turned off with the way this date turned out and I am not as interested as before. Should I keep seeing her (even for the sake of practicing)?

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    Default Re: How to deal with cold/unresponsive girls?

    Don't critique her or tell her what you want her to do to help yourself be comfortable. Remember your role is to take advantage of oppurtunities she's putting out there to lead her at her pace. Let her figure out for herself what she feels as comfortable. More than likely she's shy because all of this is new to her. She's probably not used to these kinds of challenging things--so give her small hoops to jump through and reward her with a touch that pulls her in closer, a smile or a hug. Small hoops would be like simple personality, daily routine that make her really think about herself on an emotional level. You want to reward those emotional spikes because you're a complete stranger trying to get comfortable with her. Really large hoops would be like sex related questions that are obviously flirtatious and rewards would be much more intimate touching, kissing and if you're escalting you know how far to push.

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    Default Re: How to deal with cold/unresponsive girls?

    Mmmm, interesting. I have to admit that I am a bit stingy on compliments and that's my biggest fault when dealing with women. It just doesn't occur to me naturally, so I will need to work on that.

    So, basically, depending on how the conversation goes, I will highlight one of her qualities and do some light kino as a reward. Ok, I will try that

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    Default Re: How to deal with cold/unresponsive girls?

    Just make sure its fun, light hearted and natural if its rewarding small hoops in regards to kino. If you just pause and give her a smirk and stare intently you can generate tension with her, she'll not know what to do--and thats probably the best time to kiss her.


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