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    Default Had girl in my bedroom but nothing - wtf!!!!????

    Hi all,

    I'm genuinely speechless, I don't know where this went wrong. I'm literally scratching my head as I write this.

    It's around 10pm and I'm walking along the River Thames here in London with my friend. I open this set of 2 hot Polish sisters who are taking pictures.One is 17 and the other is 20 (I'm actually 31!). I'm getting on with them and then my friend joins me. I'm getting on well with the 20 year old, there's good eye contact and everything. I also get her facebook part way through. My friend is joining in the conversation and it's all going pretty well.

    After about half an hour I suggest going for a drink, but as they have no money left they say they can't and come to think of it as the sister is 17 they wouldn't get in anyway. (They were leaving London the next day to go back to Poland). Another 30 min of chatting and I suggest grabbing a coffee somewhere and said it's ok I would pay for it. They say yes and walk with us. While we are walking I see my one (20 year old) put on some lipstick. Then, as obviously there is no place open this late lol I say my flat is only 5 minutes walk, we can have a drink there. They agree to come with us and we walk back. I'm walking next to my one and flirting with her more and doing more kino on her.

    We then get to my flat and all grab a seat round the kitchen table. I get everyone a drink etc and sit down next to the girl I like. Perhaps in hindsight I should have been more confident here but instead I was thinking of how close I was to getting laid lol. After a few minutes of general chatting my one starts wiping her lipstick off with a tissue. When my friend asks what she is doing she says it is making it easier to kiss her.

    Me thinking I'm definitely in there, I say to my one lets go to my bedroom as I have some cool tunes we can listen to. She says yes and grabs her head phones and comes with. We go sit on my bed and I play a tune on my ipad saying how much I like this tune. A couple minutes later she plays a tune on her phone that she likes. During this tune I say to her (probably lame in hindsight!) "what's ur favourite kissing music?". She then starts saying how she doesn't kiss just anyone and would only kiss someone if they were her bf. I then make a half assed move saying I want to kiss her and move in slightly. She then gets bizarrely genuinely upset and offended saying that she will only kiss her bf, and that I must think she is easy if she would kiss me right now. I then say that I like you etc and think your intelligent to which she replies we don't know each. She then goes to my door and we talk for a few minutes with me saying come to London and visit etc, where she still seems in a bad mood. Then a bit later she calls her sister and they leave as they have to rush back to catch the last tube to where their host family live (my friend and I earlier had said we would pay for a taxi for them if they missed the tube).

    So now I'm typing this up thinking what the fark happened. Was this a genuine case of a Polish girl being notoriously difficult to pull or did I make a fatal mistake somewhere as all the signs would indicate I was definitely in there? My friend who was with me said he doesn't know what happened and thought I was in there too.

    Btw, she is really into academia, studying at a top uni (apparently), wants to be a teacher and doesn't drink alcohol. If that makes any difference...

    One last thing, she said later on facebook when I messaged her that the lipstick thing was a joke and she still seemed a bit upset.

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    Default Re: Had girl in my bedroom but nothing - wtf!!!!????

    So now I'm typing this up thinking what the fark happened. Was this a genuine case of a Polish girl being notoriously difficult to pull or did I make a fatal mistake somewhere as all the signs would indicate I was definitely in there? My friend who was with me said he doesn't know what happened and thought I was in there too.
    I know exactly what happened.

    when she put the lipstick on, that was her way of hinting that she wanted you to kiss her during the walk back to the apartment. you missed that hint, thus she had to be more overt so of course she removed the lipstick and said it would make it easier to kiss her (another clue that she wanted to be kissed.)

    but instead of kissing her out in your flat, you just had to take her to the bedroom.... thus you gave away your intention of having sex. this girl didn't want to have sex, she just wanted a kiss and possibly a relationship. she didn't kiss you in the bedroom because she was afraid that you would try to take things further than what she felt comfortable with.

    when she said
    she doesn't kiss just anyone and would only kiss someone if they were her bf.
    she actually meant that she doesn't have sex with guys who she doesn't know very well.

    simply put she saw your sexual intentions and dodged the bullet by not kissing you.

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    Default Re: Had girl in my bedroom but nothing - wtf!!!!????

    Quote Originally Posted by meteora View Post
    I know exactly what happened.

    when she put the lipstick on, that was her way of hinting that she wanted you to kiss her during the walk back to the apartment. you missed that hint, thus she had to be more overt so of course she removed the lipstick and said it would make it easier to kiss her (another clue that she wanted to be kissed.)

    but instead of kissing her out in your flat, you just had to take her to the bedroom.... thus you gave away your intention of having sex. this girl didn't want to have sex, she just wanted a kiss and possibly a relationship. she didn't kiss you in the bedroom because she was afraid that you would try to take things further than what she felt comfortable with.

    when she said

    she actually meant that she doesn't have sex with guys who she doesn't know very well.

    simply put she saw your sexual intentions and dodged the bullet by not kissing you.
    Thanks, but as her sister and my friend were there while we were walking back and then all of us were seated in my kitchen, I decided against going in for the kiss there. I thought she wouldn't want to get with a guy in front of my friend and her sister.

    Hmmm I really thought her coming into my bedroom alone was a sign I was going to get it on with her....

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    Default Re: Had girl in my bedroom but nothing - wtf!!!!????

    In my opinion I think you messed up on the LMR SH!T TEST. Lol that was the best LMR I've ever heard. She used the whole bf thing as a SHIT TEST. Alright let's analyze this: she puts on lipstick and flat out later states it'll be easier to kiss when she takes it off. come on man that's not something a girl would say if she only kisses her bf. Yet she's at a stranger house she doesn't know. She used a LMR on you followed by a good Sh!t test, which you failed by coming out and saying you like her just to get a kiss from her when you just met her. Good experience though, learn from this, learn how to get through LMR (LAST Minute Resistance ) and being good with Sh!t Tests
    You lose some you win some, learn from your mistakes and get better!

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    Default Re: Had girl in my bedroom but nothing - wtf!!!!????

    Everything the above two posters said, I also think asking her what her favorite kissing music is ... Is the weakest line ever. That must have really killed the mood. You don't ask for a kiss unless your an AFC you take one

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    Default Re: Had girl in my bedroom but nothing - wtf!!!!????

    You keep failing if you don't try. Most problem most guys have is too much talking. Talking before kissing is an idea we've grown attached to and socially conditioned us from movies and books. When you ever get to read some 'steamy cheezy women's romance novel's' you'll see that the kiss and escalation is unexpected and she decides on how she responds giving the guy a green or a red light. Its the same like with a condifent guy or a creeper. Women have their own bias without us doing anything--for us talking about what we want we are really killing our chances unless you are amazing at selling... Which i'm sure most of us would hate a door to door sales job.

    So take risks next time. When she walked into your room with head phones maybe turn that into a stupid game or joke. Tell her to put it on and start singjng on the end of the cord. When she laughs or smiles thats your cue. Especially in a bed room or isolated area is that a cue. If she finds it as a misread cue she'll tell you at the last 10% of the distance.

    I recently talked to a few guys and girls at work about a kiss and when to do the first kiss. Most guys think they have to say something clever to be allowed or be able to kiss. Most women will usually lose the moment / mood when there is too much talking. Talking breaks that sexuak tension. Sexual tension comes from awkwardness and strong eye contact and a smirk / grin like smile. People fail at this. If you didnt do this you probably need to re think your approach some. I'd really refrajn from talking so much for escalation unless you're making them laugh. If you make them laugh--after they laugh or smile is the time to kiss. Thats how you play the red light green light game.
    Every moment counts, get out of your head and enjoy it.

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    Default Re: Had girl in my bedroom but nothing - wtf!!!!????

    Quote Originally Posted by marvilo View Post
    In my opinion I think you messed up on the LMR SH!T TEST. Lol that was the best LMR I've ever heard. She used the whole bf thing as a SHIT TEST. Alright let's analyze this: she puts on lipstick and flat out later states it'll be easier to kiss when she takes it off. come on man that's not something a girl would say if she only kisses her bf. Yet she's at a stranger house she doesn't know. She used a LMR on you followed by a good Sh!t test, which you failed by coming out and saying you like her just to get a kiss from her when you just met her. Good experience though, learn from this, learn how to get through LMR (LAST Minute Resistance ) and being good with Sh!t Tests
    Thanks your answer. Agreed. I did start telling her that I like that she is intelligent (I know academia is important to her) and that she is cute. What would you have said?

    Any good resource for getting through LMR?

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    Default Re: Had girl in my bedroom but nothing - wtf!!!!????

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthy_hubert View Post
    Everything the above two posters said, I also think asking her what her favorite kissing music is ... Is the weakest line ever. That must have really killed the mood. You don't ask for a kiss unless your an AFC you take one
    Lesson learned for next time! Will never make this mistake again!

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    Default Re: Had girl in my bedroom but nothing - wtf!!!!????

    Quote Originally Posted by artandale View Post
    You keep failing if you don't try. Most problem most guys have is too much talking. Talking before kissing is an idea we've grown attached to and socially conditioned us from movies and books. When you ever get to read some 'steamy cheezy women's romance novel's' you'll see that the kiss and escalation is unexpected and she decides on how she responds giving the guy a green or a red light. Its the same like with a condifent guy or a creeper. Women have their own bias without us doing anything--for us talking about what we want we are really killing our chances unless you are amazing at selling... Which i'm sure most of us would hate a door to door sales job.

    So take risks next time. When she walked into your room with head phones maybe turn that into a stupid game or joke. Tell her to put it on and start singjng on the end of the cord. When she laughs or smiles thats your cue. Especially in a bed room or isolated area is that a cue. If she finds it as a misread cue she'll tell you at the last 10% of the distance.

    I recently talked to a few guys and girls at work about a kiss and when to do the first kiss. Most guys think they have to say something clever to be allowed or be able to kiss. Most women will usually lose the moment / mood when there is too much talking. Talking breaks that sexuak tension. Sexual tension comes from awkwardness and strong eye contact and a smirk / grin like smile. People fail at this. If you didnt do this you probably need to re think your approach some. I'd really refrajn from talking so much for escalation unless you're making them laugh. If you make them laugh--after they laugh or smile is the time to kiss. Thats how you play the red light green light game.
    Thanks, some really good ideas here.

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    Default Re: Had girl in my bedroom but nothing - wtf!!!!????

    I was under the ipmression that freezing out was teh solution to LMR.

    Personally, sisters are the easiest set to close. In this situation I would've been flirting and escalating the younger sister, which for some reason drives the older sister crazy. It's happened this way enough times for it to be a rule for me. Probably is a combination of the natural competitiveness of siblings, as while as the inherent threat of the younger sibling getting more attention.


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