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    Question Opening with Compliment + Getting Her Talk + Escalation , Is this good?

    Hi everyone. This is my second post on forums, I'm a newbie improving
    himself with girls.

    I thought something like this would work very well :

    Direct Opener + Making her Talk + Escalation Way
    I totally try to be myself. With a loud voice, relaxed and open body language. I say what I feel in my mind exactly. When I see the girl, go tell her she looks cute, or whatever. Then I try to make her talk asking like "So what are you up to now? oh.. do you live here? good. are you studying?" etc.

    I start with a direct compliment and then I try to get to know her, because I want to know about her. The more she talks the more comfortable she gets. I show approval and interest in what she says, I touch the girl
    by the way. Escelate, I touch her arm, when whe sit I make sure our legs touch each other. I grab her hand and palmread some things. Touch her arm and say "wow you got muscles haha" or "you gotta work out more "

    Goes like that..

    What experts and The Game Says
    Find your target. Open her talking about something indirect. No compliment, give no IOI. Get her talk. Keep conversation. Escalate..
    Use negs, look for IOI's and reward her when she gives.

    So basicly, I feel like I have to hide behind lies, stories or excues to talk to a girl. Can't I just express how attractive i found her? then try to get to know her?

    Thanks in advance..

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    Default Re: Opening with Compliment + Getting Her Talk + Escalation , Is this good?

    What you said can work if you have good Inner Game. Actually, if you have good inner game you can say almost anything. However what you described, without having inner game, can only get you HB under 8 or desperate ones. When you open direct, you will be judged on things she can quickly judge: i.e. appearance, body-language etc.

    When you open direct and with a compliment you are putting the girl on a pedestal and giving her value. You have to ask yourself, why would you do that? Do you want a girl just for looks? Because there are tons of girls out there with good looks and bad personality. So... what woman..do YOU want?

    "So basicly, I feel like I have to hide behind lies, stories or excues to talk to a girl. Can't I just express how attractive i found her? then try to get to know her?"

    No you don't. You don't have to lie, and those stories are there to convey your personality. Everyone tells stories. At some point in any interaction, even with your mom, you have to tell stories.

    "Getting her to talk "
    Seriously? So if you get a person to talk then that means they are into you? I don't understand where this leads.

    But hey, when it comes to this stuff, the most important thing is that you test it yourself. So anything that you read, learn, come up on your own, etc. you can always field test it. Therefore, whatever I said it shouldn't matter much because you can always test it on your own and see what happens.

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    Default Re: Opening with Compliment + Getting Her Talk + Escalation , Is this good?

    I don't wanna believe the idea that "I should lower her value and increase with mine"

    Why can't I just go for the girl that I like? even if she's walking as a group?

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    Default Re: Opening with Compliment + Getting Her Talk + Escalation , Is this good?

    Quote Originally Posted by marine9 View Post
    I don't wanna believe the idea that "I should lower her value and increase with mine"

    Why can't I just go for the girl that I like? even if she's walking as a group?
    You can do that. But you'll get blown out. You'll fail. Almost every time. You need to drop your chivalry and ideas of being a gentleman. They don't work now, if they ever did. You need to understand that attraction is a biological process that can be triggered by certain stimuli. It is not some preordained fate.

    Part of the stimuli necessary to trigger attraction is a female seeing you not as an social equal, but as a social superior. That is just how it is.

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    Default Re: Opening with Compliment + Getting Her Talk + Escalation , Is this good?

    What is your suggestion then? Read the Game?

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    Default Re: Opening with Compliment + Getting Her Talk + Escalation , Is this good?

    It's OK to compliment a girl in the beginning... Just don't do it based on her looks. That's what ten million other guys have done.
    Compliment her style, or energy, or sense of humor, etc.

    You never have to lower a girl's value either. But the ones who are snippity & stuck on themselves, sometimes need a little reality check to remind them that they're human.

    Also, avoid conversation & "interview" style questions. (Where ya from? Where do you work? What do you study, etc.)
    Again, ten million other guys do that same thing, & girls get bored to death by that.

    Instead, be upbeat, friendly, flirty, fun, and confident.
    Make her curious about you by being DIFFERENT than the ten million other chumps who have hit on her before.



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    Default Re: Opening with Compliment + Getting Her Talk + Escalation , Is this good?

    When I first started, I had no confidence. I thought some magical openers, lines and techniques can get me girls.

    These days, I'd been thinking that being really "outspoken and direct" could make me good with girls.

    Looks like neither. I must be confident and learn how to flirt.

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    Default Re: Opening with Compliment + Getting Her Talk + Escalation , Is this good?

    There ARE NO magical lines / openers.
    Techniques? Yes... but they're really not magical. It's all based on psychology & causing emotional reactions in a girl.

    In fact, you don't even need an "opener", as long as you approach with a fun vibe & project a flirty nature.

    The "opener" can be anything at all.
    I've personally used "dog crap" as an opener before. (Yes, I'm totally serious)
    I've told a girl she was gonna "wet the bed" as an opener.
    I've opened girls by pulling out their ear buds & listening to their music as an opener.
    I've gone up energetically & said "Heeeey You!!" with my arms open to hug them, as an opener.

    The thing is, it's not what you SAY that matters... it's all about how you ARE.

    Being outspoken and direct IS good. Trust me.
    That's totally my personality. I say whatever I want, whenever I want.

    But I've learned (through experience) when to dial things back & when to push further. I also incorporate a sarcastic, sharp, quick, witty sense of humor... full of razzing/teasing/bantering.

    It sounds like you're on the right track & have some great foundational INNER game qualities. (Confidence & outspokenness)

    I'm thinking you just need to focus more on flirting & having fun, rather than trying to "connect" with girls through "conversation".


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    Default Re: Opening with Compliment + Getting Her Talk + Escalation , Is this good?

    Quote Originally Posted by marine9 View Post
    When I first started, I had no confidence. I thought some magical openers, lines and techniques can get me girls.

    These days, I'd been thinking that being really "outspoken and direct" could make me good with girls.

    Looks like neither. I must be confident and learn how to flirt.

    You have to realize that people have different styles that work for them. These guys know what they are talking about, but perhaps the style YOU like doesn't work for them. It doesn't mean that it doesn't work. The best way to get girls is to be totally comfortable around them and be yourself. If you can do that you will get plenty of women.

    T-Mal's style doesn't work for me. I'm naturally cocky funny and I get allot of girls by starting deep intelectual conversations with them. I like inteligent girls and stimulating their mind REALLY gets them atracted. Many guys on here will tell you that conversations get you into the friend zone but I've done this countless times and it works for me. Of course I AM being a little cocky funny and lightly flirting during this time too.

    When I was in high school I always complained that all of my friends that were girls wanted me, but I couldn't get any of the girls I wanted. I literally had 10-15 women at all times that wanted to be with me. The problem was that I treated the girls I was interested in differently then the girls I wasn't. When I realized this I changed my behavior and started geting some of the women I wanted. If I would have realized this earlier I would have been the guy in high school with the best looking women in the school. Just by being myself and thinking aloud.

    Complimenting a girl on her beauty isen't the most genuine way to compliment her but women still enjoy hearing they are attractive. The best way to compliment her is to compliment her on personality traits she possesses. You can walk up to a girl and tell her she's beautiful and it will work if you have really high confidence. You can find examples of this approach working on youtube. Look up Sasha daygame or James Marshal. I think this is more the approach you are leaning towards.

    I would also reccomend reading "The Manual: What women want and how to give it to them". This is the approach you are looking for. It tells you how to run the most direct game I've ever heard of. No fluff whatsoever. It also tells you how to be charming and chivelrous. Chivelry works hands down no matter what anyone says on here. I don't care what the top pua's in the world say, it works as long as you don't go out of your way to be chivelrous. This book will explain how to do it correctly.

    Another reccomended reading for direct game is David X "Be relentless". You can find it free on the internet. If you want to go direct read these two books and nothing else. Anything else you read on indirect game will only confuse and complicate things for you. Cheers!

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    Default Re: Opening with Compliment + Getting Her Talk + Escalation , Is this good?

    I knew there were awesome people here! I appreciate your help, thanks a lot man, you rock!!


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