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    Post Why Western women are ruined because of Feminism and why Latinas are better

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    Default Re: Why Western women are ruined because of Feminism and why Latinas are be

    Oh no. Not this again. Listen, kiddo, no matter what social barriers exist and no matter what someone's views are, everyone, even men, can feel alleviated when they have a calm leader that can make difficult decisions. Feminism is about women having the same rights and abilities as men within a society as they should. I will say that is true that women will do things that unnatural for them to appear more modern; however, they always will have tendencies to behave feminine in one way or another. But I do still believe that they should study things like physics and engineering.

    I used to date a woman with a very strong personality before she went to Yale to study medicine. I actually talked her into doing it, despite the fact that she was turning away from in order to be with me because I figured it would be best for her and I wanted to experiment with more types of women. I also really wanted to have sex with one of her friends and I didn't feel like I had dated enough in my life to get stuck with one person. Despite her being a strong feminist, when I approached a situation that was hard for her and did some leading to help alleviate her stress, she would cuddle with me right afterward word and say something like "Thank you. I've just had too much on my mind lately. I really appreciate what you do for me." or something of that nature.

    Even if you lived in a very anti-male society, I believe it would still be possible to be a man using subtle social techniques. Using subtlety to warm up a woman before sleeping with her to get past a social fortress around her is kind of my specialty. Plus, my presence has always had a strong, sexual and masculine flavor to it and everything about my appearance is masculine.



    In short, you can still be a man in today's society if you know how to. If you're a strong enough man, you won't spark out.

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    Default Re: Why Western women are ruined because of Feminism and why Latinas are be

    Bare with me... This is gonna sound a bit scattered...

    Feminism is an idea for those to seek change for an ideal balance without compromise. It is definetly a western way of thinking. In my personally belief it shows up through western cultures because of the type of influences it allows to change society. When you look at eastern cultures with close ties to buddism or taoism you start to see that the line of thinking there is more to do with your own personal demons and over coming them as to seek desires tend to be off the path of enlightenment or the true path.

    I believe in feminism along the idea that it is important to have. I personally do not believe in it enough to promote it because where its been for the last 40 years isnt very ideal. Everyone has a different idea of equality. The best example i have of equality and when t comes down to feminism is highlighted by a public figure such as Martin Luther King Jr--a person like him no loger exists in the world because everyone is too selfish to acknowledge their own influence on others. Everyone in believes they are doig the right thing and if you arent on their side then you're against them.

    Personally for me i believe that we live in a perfect world of chaos. We draw a line of what is fair and what is wrong and every day that line moves--its never the same. I believe that women want the same thing as men. I believe what happened in the late 1960's with women's equality movement backing out of the draft was damaging to their ideals of equality and wanted to change the world in a different way without any real risk to themselves.

    Anyways im just trailing without really backing anything up. I might come back and add to it but im kinda drunk.
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    Default Re: Why Western women are ruined because of Feminism and why Latinas are be

    Sorry mate. Next time try to write something shorter, otherwise my eyes start to bleed.


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    Default Re: Why Western women are ruined because of Feminism and why Latinas are be

    i'll be honest with you guys, I do not like feminists. not because I want to suppress women, but rather because feminists seem to want to suppress masculinity in men.

    I believe we are facing a serious gender crisis in this modern time.
    popular culture is feminizing men.

    watch any comedy show on tv and you'd understand what I mean, men are often being displayed as being submissive to the desires of women. while women are being displayed as far more masculine taking the roles once held by men.

    I am a firm believer in equal rights, but I feel like feminists want female superiority over men. and honestly I could see a future where few men are taught to be masculine.

    that future is here, why do you think so many guys are turning to pua? the whole reason pua exists is because parents are not equipping their boys to deal with the modern dating scene.

    right now, women have the upper hand, as a matter of fact, the feminist movement has caused even below average women to feel entitled to above average men. and that is bad news for all the average guys out there. it means you really have to have every advantage possible to succeed at getting a quality woman.


    we've got a war on our hands boys, a war to take back our masculinity and regain the upper hand in the dating scene. as men, we need to increase our standards for ourselves and for the women we choose. we need to wake up and stop settling for any women who aren't of exceptional quality.


    I want to start the "masculine movement" one day, and with the help of the pua community, I know I can make it possible.

    godspeed brothers

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    Default Re: Why Western women are ruined because of Feminism and why Latinas are be

    Now that im sober im gonna attempt to correct myself. Lol.

    I agree with meteora.

    I believe its obvious that in western cultures we are taught to embrace the ideas of self esteem. The study and promotion of self esteem was done back around the 1950's. The importance of self esteem is highly valued in western cultures as we tend to believe in reassuring ourselvs through any tough situatio. I think its greatly beneficial but the down side is the lack of self esteem that meteora has pointed out. Everyone in this world by principal and value are ultimately equal. Eastern cultures highlight this through the traditional teachings such as buddism and taosim as such a few examples that have embraced. These teachings embrace and reinforce the ideas that you really only have control over your own universe. These ideals taught in the eastern cultures highlight equality pretty well as they do not tend to single our one gender from another.

    I do think feminism is important but i dont believe in whats been preached or shoved down our throats in the last 40 years. Most of whats been spread around in the western cultures seek equality without compromising. The usage of shaming the influence of the male gender is and has been on a rise since the 70's. Rape culture as a term has stupified our culture as it takes away our concept of what culture really is by giving more labels to define people, actions or events in which only seperates us from each other. Feminism doesnt teach each how to achieve equality. It shows us the inequality by givjng us more inequalities. By showing us these faults it does great in showing us how unbalanced we are but doesnt really give us an answer.

    I believe the way people promote feminism these days only drives us further apart from being able to express ourselves because we are taught to internalize our sensitivity but not express it. For the longest time before PUA i believed i should always be sensitive towards women and their needs to a point of never being able to recignize that i should be giving women the option if they even want my sensitivity to b acknowleged around them. I feared that if i showed my interest in a woman that i'm pushing something onto her and that it would be giving her something she wanted. But knowing what i know now about being a PUA is that i cant decide for her. I also shouldnt lie to myself and continue to hurt myself by not expressing how i feel about the women around me. I do believe that the generation x and millennials have been conditioned to embrace sensitivity to the point that it cripples us. I think that most men of generation x and millennials are afraid of being labeled as sexists men who opress women because thats how society deems us. But the older i get the more i realize i'm just trying to live my life in the most positive way in which i can be happy. I find it hard to be happy as a man surpressed by feminism.

    My friend who is a comedian made a point years ago saying that hollywood promotes nothing but the idea that chicks and nerds kick ass. You hardly see a man in these lead roles getting the woman in the movie. You see a sensitive guy who gets a girl because he understands her. Not only did he try this in his teens as much as i did and fail at getting a girl friend or tried getting laid but only later did we realize women just want to have fun as much as men.

    Feminism promotes women as being higher than men by not stating what equality is. By defining it only then can we achieve it. We live in a time where its complicated in defining that line. And to us PUAs where is the line for dating? In popular websites promoting feminism these days there isnt a 100% rule of thumb of what is acceptable in how to approach a woman, how to date or hook up with a woman and most importantly how to be happy with a woman. What is preached in feminism in an ideal world with men doesn't work in the real world because in reality women get bored or turned off and no longer attracted to men when men are too sensitive and do not lead when the woman is against leading.

    I believe we PUAs who try to understand and live a world of equality try to promote the idea that the woman should always have a choice. She should have as man choices as a man. But the sad thing is because of feminism women have many more choices because there are more men just falling at their feet. We men get stupified around women because we were taught wrong about women in general. The line of ettiquette is blurred and never taught to us when most vital-- our teenage years.we are taught to be nice or to be real but these things never work in attracting a woman because its just thrown at her like the other 100 guys before us. Women have much more power than society believes. Men are under valued in our society simply by not being taught to value ourselves.

    If you look at primal nature with animals and our own history as men we did have a choice as to whom we could mate with because we earned that sense of value. Now in a world where survival isnt as hard to achieve as it used to be we now must look at value in another way. Society doesnt teach this and feminism does not either. The closest thing to equality in my book in today's world of men and women is the idea of being a true PUA. This isnt to say all PUAs are equal or want the same thing-- because everyone is different.
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    Default Re: Why Western women are ruined because of Feminism and why Latinas are be

    Okay, no offense, but for some reason to me this article seems tinged with sexism and racism. What does the author refer to in regards to Latinas, which countries/areas did you go to to observe this? Was it a scientific study? The same question for western women compared to women in Latin American countries. What makes a career subject such as engineering or economics masculine? I think it is a blanket generalization to say all Western women or men are 50% masculine, 50% feminine. I don't think anyone is 100% masculine or 100% feminine. Knights, Vikings and warriors throughout history were known to enjoy poetry, writing as well as reading it.

    I have nothing against feminism give I think it is needed in a patriarchal, dominator society that has historically given women the shaft (no pun intended) and still does in some respects e.g. Fappening, opportunities in education and employment. Although there have been some very radical fringe elements (like in every socio-political movement) that have some misandry.

    I don't think it's bad for some men to have some feminine traits no more than it is for some women to have some masculine traits. I never had any woman give me a glare or bad feelings for opening the door for her, or offering to give her a hand carrying something.

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    Default Re: Why Western women are ruined because of Feminism and why Latinas are be

    Good god! I'm not even going to attempt at anything with this subject as I've made my views quite clear in a few posts here. Meteora is on the right tracks here but in saying that however, the real problem is not feminism but 'radical militant feminists'and I'll put that in bold just for emphasis.

    RMF have done a darn good job at feminising men. They do not want equality. I am a firm believer of egalitarian society but it seems the RMF will proclaim their desire for this system only when it suits their needs. Many men shelters are closing down as they are run by volunteers whilst the opposite gender have so many different types of shelters and support to meet every one of their needs and most if not all of them receive government funding.


    The RMF will scream equality without questions but they still expect you to be a gentleman. Does that make any sense? They expect us to live to our expectations but we can't expect them to do the same? Recently in the UK a young lady (around the age of 20) smashed a glass on the face of a man in a club just because the guy ignored her advances. The glass shards almost blinded him and missed his eye by a few millimetres. This lady at that age already accumulated 17 previous convictions of assault. She has a history of violence from a very young age. The judge presiding her case on her 18th conviction let her go with a warning and ordered her to take anger management classes.

    How many men do you know who can get away with glassing a woman just once? How many men can escape prison after hitting a woman regardless if they've had previous convictions? This might be a single case but the trend is set in society, a woman hitting a man is acceptable but a man hitting a woman is not. You don't even have to hit a woman. A friend of mine spent the night in jail because his girlfriend accused him of hitting her. He never laid his hands on her and he wanted to end the relationship but she couldn't take it so called the police. The officers didn't need to hear anything just throw the cuffs and take him away.

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    Default Re: Why Western women are ruined because of Feminism and why Latinas are be

    Quote Originally Posted by Grey2fox View Post
    RMF have done a darn good job at feminising men. They do not want equality. I am a firm believer of egalitarian society but it seems the RMF will proclaim their desire for this system only when it suits their needs. Many men shelters are closing down as they are run by volunteers whilst the opposite gender have so many different types of shelters and support to meet every one of their needs and most if not all of them receive government funding.


    The RMF will scream equality without questions but they still expect you to be a gentleman. Does that make any sense? They expect us to live to our expectations but we can't expect them to do the same? Recently in the UK a young lady (around the age of 20) smashed a glass on the face of a man in a club just because the guy ignored her advances. The glass shards almost blinded him and missed his eye by a few millimetres. This lady at that age already accumulated 17 previous convictions of assault. She has a history of violence from a very young age. The judge presiding her case on her 18th conviction let her go with a warning and ordered her to take anger management classes.
    I'm interested to read the article if there is a link

    Quote Originally Posted by Grey2fox View Post
    How many men do you know who can get away with glassing a woman just once? How many men can escape prison after hitting a woman regardless if they've had previous convictions? This might be a single case but the trend is set in society, a woman hitting a man is acceptable but a man hitting a woman is not. You don't even have to hit a woman. A friend of mine spent the night in jail because his girlfriend accused him of hitting her. He never laid his hands on her and he wanted to end the relationship but she couldn't take it so called the police. The officers didn't need to hear anything just throw the cuffs and take him away.
    I've had this happen to a friend of mine. Difference was he wouldnt let her drive to another bar while they were home. She threatened him--called the cops saying he was getting violent. Cops showed up and listened to her story--as my friend tried to talk to her the cop said he was only going to give my friend one warning if he wasnt only going to address the cop. He wasnt allowed to address his own girlfriend. Minutes later as you expect my friend addressed her and the cop cuffed him. She was yelling at the cop to stop. It went as far as court and she testified against the cop.
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    Default Re: Why Western women are ruined because of Feminism and why Latinas are be

    Btw after doing some reading i found this... Woman As Aggressor: The Unspoken Truth Of Domestic Violence

    I believe the writer has highlighted similar points about society in which ican side with. Obviously no one is against feminism. Those who don't promote feminism see a line that is getting more and more blurred in our society. It also begs me to question how we as PUAs decide to deal with aggressors who are women.
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