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Thread: How to avoid sexual harassment claims?

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    Lightbulb How to avoid sexual harassment claims?

    One of my buddies got drunk and made a move on a girl, nothing got out of it, but apparently he was overly persistent, and she accused him of sexual harassment with their college authorities. After that my friend has fears of making any move on a girl, to simply avoid legal issues.

    What do you do to prevent this from happening?

    Here is my take on this matter:

    Cut down on drinking goes without saying, but my friend has fears of making a move even if he is not drunk.

    Sexual harassment thing interferes a lot with the perseverance of a real alpha male. There's a gray area of her testing you and harassment. You can only learn to distinguish it with practice. But what do you do to practice? - you may ask.

    You make a move, you escalate, you persevere AND you always leave a way for a girl to simply walk away. If she can easily walk away and she doesn't, even if she verbally refuses, she is probably testing you. For example, if you decide to kiss her, keep your arms behind your back and just lean in. She can walk away, but if she stays she likes you.

    It is a very sensitive topic, especially in the US. With practice you will easily see and feel if a girl is into you and when to escalate, when she wants you. Before you get there, cover your ass, and always leave her a way to walk away easily.

    Remember, to always use your judgement, for that you must stay with clear mind.

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    Default Re: How to avoid sexual harassment claims?

    What do you do to prevent this from happening?
    simple, if she say's the word "no" respect it. don't keep trying, instead go find another girl.

    also, no sexual kino until after you've kissed her several times and no forceful advances.

    all a girl has to do is yell the word "rape" and your life could be ruined. your friend has every right to be afraid of making sexual advances on girls.

    always use good judgment, and never push a girl to do anything sexual. let her make the decision to take things farther. hell, make her beg for sex if you really want to feel powerful lol

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    Default Re: How to avoid sexual harassment claims?

    It's weird. When I started PUA I was def saying alot of things that were openly sexual and kinda worried about things like harrassment. But it's never been a problem, even when it's advanced to the heavy touching stage.

    I think it all (surprise!) Starts with the approach. Most harrassment is basically too much sexual advances too soon. So if you approach with indirect stuff, her "sexual pervert" signal won't trigger. Players try to open sexually quickly but PU is about getting her attracted. Two totally different lines of thought. One is trying to force yourself on her while the other let's her be taken by her own emotions.
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    Default Re: How to avoid sexual harassment claims?

    Other PUA's I have studied like the guys at RSD or Good Looking Loser say they have never had an issue with this. Just be smart and use your judgment lol.

    If a girl is giggling or laughing or smiling while saying 'no' then its probably OK to persist but when it become a harder no then you have to back off.

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    Default Re: How to avoid sexual harassment claims?

    Oh and when a woman doesnt like you, she will let you know clearly. There will definitely be a clear signal. Just apologize in a way that says "I'm sorry. But I am just kidding around with you. I thought we had the same sense of humor. I guess I was wrong."

    You're apologizing but still saving face because you are not admitting any attraction on your part. You are making out to look like you guys were being friendly and funny. After that, just treat her with respect and be warm and outgoing. Being uptight around her will kill your mood and game.
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    Default Re: How to avoid sexual harassment claims?

    HAHA tuff break.. Nothing we do is actually fair though., knowing how to get through LMR's is practically boarder line rape anyways. You have to pick your target wiser. Still you must respect the word NO. Not no but NO. its different from LMR's. Me personally i'm almost completely un attracted to girls who tell me NO. I have a yeah right bitch attitude to me and i keep it moving. This is different from no, With those i BUST though the LMR's and score. Keep in mind none of this would matter in a court room. You should know your freedom may very well depend on this. Imagine how being exposed as a pick up artist would hurt you in a court room. I personally would not want to go there. Be smart about it. The girl saying NO is not the only girl in town. In fact the girl sitting behind me Now is a girl that said no. I had to access her no and make sure it wasn't a NO. its confusing I know but she is waiting to get F-closed for like the
    180 time this year alone.. (I actually stopped mid post to ask her). That has nothing to do with blow jobs either. But listen every new pick up could be a potential court case. Proceed wisely.
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    Default Re: How to avoid sexual harassment claims?

    I am a walking sexual harassment claim. Hahaha! All of my close female friends know this about me. And they think it is hilarious. At work, I've been called into the office for sexual harassment maybe 5 or 6 times. And after listening to my side, the HR person has always sided with me. I've never done anything wrong... people are just over-sensitive. Some highlights:

    I rubbed a friend's shoulders at work because she was having shoulder pain. She moaned. Someone complained. I looked at the HR guy and said, "My friend was in pain. What would you have done?" Nevermind the fact that she and I were hooking up. That's irrelevant. She's still a friend. She was still in pain. Somebody else was just being awkward and weird about it. After that happened, I told everybody at work about it. And I started giving guys backrubs... just to prove it wasn't sexual. And the whole thing blew right over with a huge laugh as every guy whose shoulders I rubbed would say something like, "Hey... wait a minute... this isn't sexual, is it?"

    I was seen rubbing a HB10's inner thigh at work. Got pulled in. "Yes. That's true. She'd been hit by a softball and we were concerned about the bruising. "Seriously, Bob! Where the hell are these crazy sexual harassment claims coming from? It's like I can't even CARE about somebody without somebody complaining! This is absolutely absurd!" After conducting some interviews, he agreed with me.

    I got pulled in for talking about strip clubs at work. Basically, I explained that somebody asked what I did this weekend and I said I went to a gentleman's club. I denied ever using the word "strip club" and I was clear that I NEVER talked about what happened in the club... somebody simply asked what I had done this weekend, and I answered the question. That convo ended with Mr HR warning me, "Well, obviously, you didn't do anything wrong here, but I do want to warn you that there are people out there who apparently like making complaints against you, so please do be careful about what you say. But no, you didn't say anything inappropriate."

    I got pulled in once for giving a girl my phone number. The funny thing was, I did it in kind of a rhyme-y musical way where it would be impossible for her to forget it (I was testing out that technique on her). She went to HR. Again, HR was like, "I don't get what this girl's problem was. But please, lay off her."

    Anyway, yes, I work with a lot of hot, sometimes younger, girls. So I'm not always dealing with the most worldly and sophisticated people who can distinguish between a joke and a real come-on. But I will say this about my HR department, they are SERIOUS about sexual harassment claims. The fact that I've skated through countless ones (and that the HR folks still genuinely like me), and the fact that the hot and popular girls at work find my stories to be hilarious and consistently take my side, tells me that I'm walking the line perfectly...

    The only thing I have to be careful of... is to always protect the accuser from retaliation from my other female friends. So, in a strange twist of fate, after I get pulled in for sexual harassment, the next thing I do is start covering up the accuser's tracks so nobody finds out who she is, or starts acting out against her. But, once again, that also endears me to my girls at work. They like the fact that I protect others, even those who don't like me.

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    Default Re: How to avoid sexual harassment claims?

    Your friend should really learn the art of kino. That will keep him out of trouble. We in the pua community use kino escalation to get women. Kino escalation involves progressive touching that starts out harmless. Here is a good rendition of kino escalation that I do and gets me a kiss 80% of the time if I have a girl on the hook. First touch, a light touch on the arm or shoulder. This is a friendly touch, one that she will accept as a token of friendship. Second touch, a light squeeze on the inside of her elbow. This touch feels flirty to her, and causes her to make a choice as to whether she wants to continue the conversation. Third touch, give her a hug if she says something funny. This touch is just another flirty touch. At this point she should start liking you. Fourth touch, palm read or trust test. This is another flirty thing that builds momentum. At this point you are showing her that you are not like all the other guys at the bar, and that you are more of an alpha male, worthy or her attention. Fifth touch, thumb wrestle. Make a bet with her that the loser has to kiss the winner on the cheek. This builds tension. By now she knows what you are trying to do. If she likes you she will be having fun with this because she knows that you want to kiss her. Thumb wrestle again. Loser kisses winner on the lips. This is a progressive thing that takes about an hour. I use this all of the time. There's no chance of sexual harassment because if she's not interested she'll pull away after the third touch. If she won't kiss you after thumb wrestling, she probably wasn't interested in the first place. I've never gotten in trouble with kino escalation, though I have had jealous guys try to start fights with me, but that just goes with the territory. Good luck out there.

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    Default Re: How to avoid sexual harassment claims?

    Tell youre friend to Join this forum and learn some techniques, rather then get drunk and hope for the best.
    Men, we need to value our time more then we value women. This isn't to say women are not valuable. But who are we to believe in something so illogical, as men we should realize that without our time(life), we would not even be able to pursue women, but only our mother who gave us life. Why do we think we should prioritize them over our time(life) unless she is the one who gives me/my children life. Man is Sovereignty.


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