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    Default A question to all the PUA masters

    Hey everyone

    still relatively new to pua and have had lots of failures so far, some successes but barely....

    I was honestly wondering that with practice, is it possible to have your game so tight that it makes women almost drunk and addicted to you? Have them wrapped around your finger? Basically be extremely loyal to only you, as I'm finding loyalty very hard to come by these days.

    The point where it becomes second nature to you, and you are successful with women without even trying.

    What are some starter points to become a master of the game. Some rules to follow, solid ways to practice my game, books to read and things to try, to em better myself for this task. I've failed so much and I've learned a lot from them, but my success ratio is quit low tbh. What are some ways I can speed up the process with,(like maybe approach 3 -5 random girls a week? or day?)

    I'm planning to read and finish.

    magnetic messaging by bobby rio

    alpha rules by carlos xuma

    mystery method by mystery

    a definitive guide to body language by Allan and barbara pease

    Anything I should add onto this list?

    All help is appreciated, thank you.

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    Default Re: A question to all the PUA masters

    Quote Originally Posted by wildstorms View Post
    Hey everyone

    still relatively new to pua and have had lots of failures so far, some successes but barely....

    I was honestly wondering that with practice, is it possible to have your game so tight that it makes women almost drunk and addicted to you? Have them wrapped around your finger? Basically be extremely loyal to only you, as I'm finding loyalty very hard to come by these days.

    The point where it becomes second nature to you, and you are successful with women without even trying.

    What are some starter points to become a master of the game. Some rules to follow, solid ways to practice my game, books to read and things to try, to em better myself for this task. I've failed so much and I've learned a lot from them, but my success ratio is quit low tbh. What are some ways I can speed up the process with,(like maybe approach 3 -5 random girls a week? or day?)

    I'm planning to read and finish.

    magnetic messaging by bobby rio

    alpha rules by carlos xuma

    mystery method by mystery

    a definitive guide to body language by Allan and barbara pease

    Anything I should add onto this list?

    All help is appreciated, thank you.
    1)Go out. Even if all alone. Go out. Every night you can. Even nights you don't normally think you'd get laid. Go to the places other men are afraid of. Where the most beautiful women can be found. Don't expect instant results. Instead just have fun talking to hot women. Most guys can't even get that.

    You can't meet women if you aren't out. This means being prepared to meet a woman at all times. So many times I said "screw it" to getting cleaned up to go to something as simple as the convenience store and missed out. You might meet a hottie standing in line. You just never know when an opportunity will present itself. I've missed opportunities because I wasn't ready or in the mood. Soon you figure out that a woman's attraction for you can come at any time, and you can't always predict it. Be ready for the ones you don't see coming. Often, the girl you least expect is into you, will be. Be ready for it, for.thos are the guaranteed lays.

    2)Study Tyler Durden's 25 points. It beats many game books in practical things to do instead of theory and lines.

    3)Find and develop a talent with mass appeal. No matter what it is, magic, musicianship, etc find yourself a talent that will appeal to a crowd, this helps immensely. Not necessary but definitely makes life easier when women open you rather than other way around.

    Just maintain a level of detachment. Give them enough rope to.hang themselves. Never consider one woman your only option.

    That is a start I'd say

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    Default Re: A question to all the PUA masters

    still relatively new to pua and have had lots of failures so far, some successes but barely....
    hang in there. a low success rate is actually normal.

    now you may be thinking "what? that can't be right"

    but its a reality that we must accept. even the some of the most successful pua's pull less than 10 percent of the women they approach.

    being successful with women is not about being able to sleep with any woman you approach, its about being able to approach enough women to be able to sleep with some of them.

    my best advice is to just get out and make approaches, you may have to make ridiculous amounts of approaches to see any progress. you may not even be able to sleep with one out of every 100 women you approach.

    while this seems demoralizing at first, having read the book "double your dating" I can expain that this seeming lack of success is actually caused by a lack of available women on the market.

    what I mean by this is that less than 50% of the women you approach will even be available (they have ltr's already or their lesbians, or they're terrible people who want to bring you down)

    so pick up can be a numbers game even for intermediate pua's such as myself. (and last time I actually counted my approaches for a month, it took me about 100 approaches to get 2 lays, 6 k-closes, and 12 number closes) though I admit I could have gotten 4 times as many numbers if I didn't have a strict policy of only getting numbers after at least 30 minutes of conversation (to cut down on the amount of flakes)

    I consider those to be acceptable numbers for now.

    Basically be extremely loyal to only you, as I'm finding loyalty very hard to come by these days.
    loyalty is something that is built with time, not game.

    time spent together is the best way to create genuine loyalty. don't expect any woman to be very loyal until after you've been seeing her for several months (and even still that doesn't guarantee loyalty)

    now, you can create an artificial since of loyalty using game, but this is not the same as genuine loyalty.

    1. give her the most amazing orgasms she's ever felt. this can create the feeling of loyalty because she's always going to go to you for sex, (because no other guy can make her feel as good as you do)

    2. using tons of compliance tests, this gets her used to doing the things you say, and makes a woman more obedient. (but note I said obedient not loyal, theres a difference)

    3. by creating ways for her to be dependent on you. this creates her need for you in her life, however this is something her friends do to her as well, so it doesn't guarantee sexual loyalty.(see number 1 for that.)

    I was honestly wondering that with practice, is it possible to have your game so tight that it makes women almost drunk and addicted to you? Have them wrapped around your finger?
    its called push pull, I'm sure you've heard of it.

    read david de angelo's "double your dating" for incites about the best ways to keep women chasing you.

    you are successful with women without even trying.
    the only way to be successful with women without even trying is to become famous/rich (probably both)

    as a wise man once told me "for men, sex is always a chore, for women, sex is always a choice"

    let that sink in.

    What are some starter points to become a master of the game
    practice, practice, practice.

    Some rules to follow,
    I like david x's two.

    1. I am the most important person in my relationships.

    2. who cares what she thinks.

    these will save your ass all the time.

    things to try
    travel to another city and literally approach every hot girl you see. say anything that comes to mind (even if it seems offensive, weird, crazy, or even stupid) and don't let the rejection sting you too bad.

    once you can do that for a thousand approaches, (witch may take a dozen trips to other cities) you will be vaccinated for social fear. then anytime after that when you feel scared to approach a girl, you can think to yourself "remember that time I walked up to that total ten and asked her to marry me and make lots of babies? this has nothing on that"

    essentially, being comfortable in social situations is all about exposing yourself to uncomfortable ones.


    books to read
    for being dominant and direct.

    1. "be relentless" by david x (free on internet)

    2. "I hope they serve beer in hell" by tucker max (also free on internet)

    for indirect

    1. "double your dating" by david de angelo (potentially free on internet, my copy was)

    2."how to meet and connect with women" by wayne elise (also free on internet)

    3. "mystery method" by mystery (I assume you've got the hardback copy like I do)


    I know this was long, but you will find it valuable.

    You can't meet women if you aren't out.
    amen brotha.

    and btw

    2)Study Tyler Durden's 25 points. It beats many game books in practical things to do instead of theory and lines.
    thanks, i will be sure to read this tonight.


    peace,

    meteora

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    Default Re: A question to all the PUA masters

    Not a master by any stretch of the imagination but here are a few things that based on what I have learned are important when dealing with women:

    Don't react to her emotions (ie she says something snippy to you don't take the bait and get pissed off or give her the reaction she expects; either ignore her, be unreactive or throw it back at her in playful way that shows you are not upset).

    Pursue her but have the I can take her or leave her attitude.

    Qualify her. She only gets your attention if she passes YOUR tests and has the qualities YOU want and not the other way around.

    Always act as if you are going to leave at any moment especially if she messes up(similar to above). Let her know(preferably not directly)that you don't put up with bad behavior.

    Don't act needy. You are doing her a favor by giving her attention and not the other way around but never act as though you have to have her no matter what or that she can do no wrong.

    Get her to qualify herself. Ask her what separates her from all the other women out there. You want her to prove herself to you and once she starts telling you why she's different and why she's special then she is starting to invest in the interaction(and ultimately you).

    Only go after women you are interested in. Don't settle. If you settle then you have already lost and you'll never be happy.

    Finally, inject a sense of humor into the interaction when possible(without acting like a clown or too much of a comedian)and make the interaction as fun as possible (but still show a serious side and don't make it seem as though you are only there to entertain her).

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    I've read some books, including the ones from Mystery, David De Angelo, Carlos Xuma, Neil Strauss and some other, but there was only one I really liked: The way of the superior man, by David Deida. It's the best, because it won't teach what to say or what to do, it doesn't give you lines, nor routines. Its only focus is on you. How to develop yourself into an alpha male. Pursue your dreams. Don't get shaken by anything, be always calm and relaxed, etc etc etc.It's a really good book.

    I believe that it is possible for women to become really into you very fast, even if they are in a relationship. Why? Because attraction is an emotional reaction to something that you do. So they can't really control it.

    Push pull is the best way by far for me. Very simple. Very fun. For example, imagine that you're with a girl. Try to open a door for her, she'll smile. Close it immediately. But smile, obviously.
    Go in for a hi5. When she rises her hand, you take your off. She'll say "you stupid!". You throw her a kiss or whatever and wink.

    Be cocky too. If she says something like "gosh, you're so cocky! You must think every girl wants you!". You answer "right you are kiddo! I'm the fountain of everlasting youth for women. I have a hat too like Indiana Jones had in the movie!".

    Be someone that doesn't give a fuck about anything, except for your loved ones and your dreams. Have a goal and work your ass off to achieve it.

    Don't accept compliance tests or, if you do, accept only if the girl that proposed you one accepts another one proposed by you.


    Oh, and there's one really cool mindset to adopt. "I'm the best. I just have to choose which girl is gonna be lucky to hang out with me."

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    Default Re: A question to all the PUA masters

    Incredibly usefull thread with some great tips and points, guys.

    I'm not az MPUA. It's been exactly 1 year I'm in this PUA world - I always say, it was a big luck and a great confident booze, that the very first girl I ever gamed was a tight and succesfull game ending with f-close just the way it is written. It gave me so much confident, I'm still growing from that - and of course other successes I've gained since that.

    Find things you are good at - for example I'm proud of my work, I try me best to keep in shape, looking good etc - because that's what I need to remain confident.

    Read books, watch videos - 21 convention, inspirational speeches etc. Get your mind into a PUA mindset: You are an Alpha Male, capable of approach and sleep with every woman you want!

    But don't get stucked into theoretical PUA stuffs. Go out and practice. Development is never straight up, it has ups and downs. Keep approaching, keep #-closing, keep dating. If you can, go out at night, practicing night game. Get some wings to help you. Go sarging in the daytime. Always be ready - maybe you find a beautiful girl while you are in a public transport while travelling to work. Approach her! If you can't go out, game girls online - facebook, tinder etc. Helps developing your texting skills.

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    Default Re: A question to all the PUA masters

    Quote Originally Posted by wildstorms View Post
    The point where it becomes second nature to you, and you are successful with women without even trying.

    This is very doable. My whole life I was extremely successful without even trying. The problem was I didn't pick up on the signals girls were sending me, or I was a pussy. Once I figured this out I couldn't believe the amount of beautiful women who were throwing themselves at me all the time.

    Once I figured out how to read the signals I realized that virtually every attractive girl at my high school wanted me and some were LITERALLY throwing themselves at me! Man I was dumb! My success skyrocketed once I realized how to pick up on signals and act on them. This success came from just acting on the opportunities that presented themselves. I didn't try a whole lot. The key to this is to be very comfortable and to be yourself. If your comfortable around women and you can be yourself around women you will be fine as long as you act when the opportunity arises.

    If you're in an area (like school) where you're around women all the time this is really all you need to do. If you don't have access to women you need to go out and approach allot. I would recommend reading up on body language so you can get better at picking up signals. I can guarantee that there has been plenty of cute girls who were into you and you had no idea because you didn't pick up on it.

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    Default Re: A question to all the PUA masters

    Quote Originally Posted by lenric View Post
    I've read some books, including the ones from Mystery, David De Angelo, Carlos Xuma, Neil Strauss and some other, but there was only one I really liked: The way of the superior man, by David Deida.
    Thank you lenric, this is one amazing book, I just read half a paragraph of the first page and I'm already astonished, really deep book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meteora View Post
    hang in there. a low success rate is actually normal.

    now you may be thinking "what? that can't be right"

    but its a reality that we must accept. even the some of the most successful pua's pull less than 10 percent of the women they approach.

    being successful with women is not about being able to sleep with any woman you approach, its about being able to approach enough women to be able to sleep with some of them.

    my best advice is to just get out and make approaches, you may have to make ridiculous amounts of approaches to see any progress. you may not even be able to sleep with one out of every 100 women you approach.

    while this seems demoralizing at first, having read the book "double your dating" I can expain that this seeming lack of success is actually caused by a lack of available women on the market.

    what I mean by this is that less than 50% of the women you approach will even be available (they have ltr's already or their lesbians, or they're terrible people who want to bring you down)

    so pick up can be a numbers game even for intermediate pua's such as myself. (and last time I actually counted my approaches for a month, it took me about 100 approaches to get 2 lays, 6 k-closes, and 12 number closes) though I admit I could have gotten 4 times as many numbers if I didn't have a strict policy of only getting numbers after at least 30 minutes of conversation (to cut down on the amount of flakes)

    I consider those to be acceptable numbers for now.



    loyalty is something that is built with time, not game.

    time spent together is the best way to create genuine loyalty. don't expect any woman to be very loyal until after you've been seeing her for several months (and even still that doesn't guarantee loyalty)

    now, you can create an artificial since of loyalty using game, but this is not the same as genuine loyalty.

    1. give her the most amazing orgasms she's ever felt. this can create the feeling of loyalty because she's always going to go to you for sex, (because no other guy can make her feel as good as you do)

    2. using tons of compliance tests, this gets her used to doing the things you say, and makes a woman more obedient. (but note I said obedient not loyal, theres a difference)

    3. by creating ways for her to be dependent on you. this creates her need for you in her life, however this is something her friends do to her as well, so it doesn't guarantee sexual loyalty.(see number 1 for that.)



    its called push pull, I'm sure you've heard of it.

    read david de angelo's "double your dating" for incites about the best ways to keep women chasing you.



    the only way to be successful with women without even trying is to become famous/rich (probably both)

    as a wise man once told me "for men, sex is always a chore, for women, sex is always a choice"

    let that sink in.



    practice, practice, practice.



    I like david x's two.

    1. I am the most important person in my relationships.

    2. who cares what she thinks.

    these will save your ass all the time.



    travel to another city and literally approach every hot girl you see. say anything that comes to mind (even if it seems offensive, weird, crazy, or even stupid) and don't let the rejection sting you too bad.

    once you can do that for a thousand approaches, (witch may take a dozen trips to other cities) you will be vaccinated for social fear. then anytime after that when you feel scared to approach a girl, you can think to yourself "remember that time I walked up to that total ten and asked her to marry me and make lots of babies? this has nothing on that"

    essentially, being comfortable in social situations is all about exposing yourself to uncomfortable ones.




    for being dominant and direct.

    1. "be relentless" by david x (free on internet)

    2. "I hope they serve beer in hell" by tucker max (also free on internet)

    for indirect

    1. "double your dating" by david de angelo (potentially free on internet, my copy was)

    2."how to meet and connect with women" by wayne elise (also free on internet)

    3. "mystery method" by mystery (I assume you've got the hardback copy like I do)


    I know this was long, but you will find it valuable.



    amen brotha.

    and btw



    thanks, i will be sure to read this tonight.


    peace,

    meteora
    Thank you meteora you are always kind and generous when you share your deep insights, never leaving anything out.

    I would really like to ask, In David De angelos book Double your Dating, which chapter does he talk more about the push - pull techniques, or would you recommend that I just read the whole book.

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    Default Re: A question to all the PUA masters

    Quote Originally Posted by SiliconMagician View Post
    1)Go out. Even if all alone. Go out. Every night you can. Even nights you don't normally think you'd get laid. Go to the places other men are afraid of. Where the most beautiful women can be found. Don't expect instant results. Instead just have fun talking to hot women. Most guys can't even get that.

    You can't meet women if you aren't out. This means being prepared to meet a woman at all times. So many times I said "screw it" to getting cleaned up to go to something as simple as the convenience store and missed out. You might meet a hottie standing in line. You just never know when an opportunity will present itself. I've missed opportunities because I wasn't ready or in the mood. Soon you figure out that a woman's attraction for you can come at any time, and you can't always predict it. Be ready for the ones you don't see coming. Often, the girl you least expect is into you, will be. Be ready for it, for.thos are the guaranteed lays.

    2)Study Tyler Durden's 25 points. It beats many game books in practical things to do instead of theory and lines.

    3)Find and develop a talent with mass appeal. No matter what it is, magic, musicianship, etc find yourself a talent that will appeal to a crowd, this helps immensely. Not necessary but definitely makes life easier when women open you rather than other way around.

    Just maintain a level of detachment. Give them enough rope to.hang themselves. Never consider one woman your only option.

    That is a start I'd say
    Thank you, its advice I will take


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