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Thread: PUA masters, need advice

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    Default PUA masters, need advice

    Ok guys, so the short version is this: im trying to game this girl I know, I started with light kino, a few compliments but nothing too big and i think Ive build good rapport. We went out a couple of times, always in a group but we end up alone everytime. For some reason I never closed, even when the IOIs were there. Last week she invited me to some fancy dinner with her colleagues and said " you get to eat and drink for free, I deserve a reward for this" I told her I dont have to do anything but if shes a good girl I might think of something. Few days later I invited her to get some drinks, but first I told her to drop her plans for that night. So the day arrived and when I picked her up she kinda flaked, said she would go out with me but had a birthday party later...we ended up hanging out for like 1 hour and then she left. I really didnt like that last minute flake...Should I freeze her out a little?

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    Default Re: PUA masters, need advice

    So the day arrived and when I picked her up she kinda flaked, said she would go out with me but had a birthday party later...we ended up hanging out for like 1 hour and then she left. I really didnt like that last minute flake...Should I freeze her out a little?
    sounds to me like a legit flake. no need to freeze her out.

    but first I told her to drop her plans for that night.
    don't ever do that again. it is extremely beta to tell a girl to just drop her plans. it shows that you put a high level of importance on an interaction that isn't really that important, only beta males do this in the early stages of a relationship.

    you can anticipate a flake almost any time that a girl has plans and you want her to "drop them" for you.

    just don't do it.

    " you get to eat and drink for free, I deserve a reward for this" I told her I dont have to do anything but if shes a good girl I might think of something.
    good job building sexual tension. you could have slept with her that night.

    fancy dinner with her colleagues
    she really likes you, otherwise she wouldn't have invited you to the dinner.

    odds are, if you just get some alone time with her and build sexual tension (by acknowledging barriers while showing direct sexual intent) you will be writing a field report about the f-close here in a week.

    good hunting.

    METEORA

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    Default Re: PUA masters, need advice

    Thanks for your advice Meteor!

    don't ever do that again. it is extremely beta to tell a girl to just drop her plans. it shows that you put a high level of importance on an interaction that isn't really that important, only beta males do this in the early stages of a relationship.

    you can anticipate a flake almost any time that a girl has plans and you want her to "drop them" for you.

    just don't do it.
    Wow, I thought I was being dominant, leader, you know all those Alpha traits... evidently I didnt quite get the Alpha male concept yet so Ill keep reading.

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    Default Re: PUA masters, need advice

    The alpha frame is more about doing things because you want to regardless of the outcome. You dont need anyone else's approval. Try to look at most of the situation being that you are the catch and she is the icing on the cake. Don't bend for her unless its legit and she's earned it--dont reward careoessly unless its really apart of your personality. Give yourself value by being yourself with your own opinions and your own principals as to why you do things. Talk to a girl because you think it would be fun not because you're looking for sex. All of those things like kissing and sex will naturally come if you pay attention to the signs and push and pull for the windows to open and close so you can proceed because you decided to. The alpha frame isnt a clear definition in the end. Its kind of based on the prinicpal that you are valuing yourself more than the girl and what she means to you until she's earned her place in your life.
    Every moment counts, get out of your head and enjoy it.

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    Default Re: PUA masters, need advice

    I agree with meteora 100 percent. The fact that she invited you out with her and her colleagues is a huge IOI. Also the fact that she wanted a "reward" was her way of saying she wanted to hook up. Girls are indirect by nature so you have to read between the lines. I hope you've AT LEAST made out with this girl. If you haven't you're really screwing up. You should be boneing her by now.

    The fact that she already had plans but STILL hung out with you that night is another huge IOI. This girl is seriously into you. What she did wasn't a flake. You forced her to hang out when she was busy and she still hung out with you! Like meteora said, don't do that again, but the fact she still saw you was the biggest IOI you can get.

    Do yourself a favor and make a move already!

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    Default Re: PUA masters, need advice

    evidently I didnt quite get the Alpha male concept
    I think you mostly understand what it means to be alpha. the only thing you need to understand is the difference between being in control and being controlling.

    in control = alpha

    controlling = insecure beta

    the largest difference between these is the level of emotional investment.

    example

    the person who's in control will not get upset when a woman tells him she has other plans that night, he simply waits and finds another opportunity to take her out.

    a person who is controlling is impatient, he tries to force her to go on the date when she has plans. this seldom works in his favor.

    do you see the difference?

    if not, I have a good metaphor for you.

    two bulls are standing on a hilltop, one young, one old. their are many cows to choose from in the field bellow. so the young bull says to the older bull "lets run down there and fark a cow" to witch the older bull replies "no, lets walk down and fark them all"

    ok maybe its not the best analogy, but I felt like sharing it lol

    I cannot stress the importance of patience when picking up chicks.

    if you wanted to ask me what the biggest difference between me today and me 3 years ago when I first read a pua book, I would tell you the biggest difference is that I'm far more patient now than I was back then.

    always keep a level head, it will save you every time.

    that said,

    Do yourself a favor and make a move already!
    go get her tiger.

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    Default Re: PUA masters, need advice

    Thanks guys, being an AFC for so long makes it difficult to change to an alpha frame because I think its out of my comfort zone. However its worth the effort, im already feeling good about myself!


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