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    Default So much f*#king effort

    Fail after fail is it natural to just begin hating all women?

    They require so much effort, and sometimes you do all that to find that you were just an option. Really feel f*cking special. I need to give away 50% of my life just to put up with her and deal with all her bs? I don't even know if I want to give up that much of me just for some f*cking v@gina. It's a big investment and women are f*cking ruthless, I don't want anything to do with them anymore honestly. Their needs are so specific, screw up a little here and there and its bye bye. Why the f*ck should I have to try so hard. I guess I'm so far away from being a natural that I'm at the bottom of the ladder. Even if I became wildly successful at a career or something they are only coming to me cause I got money and I can provide. F*CK that, that's is so f*cking shallow and I still have to play by these shitty rules of this game, or I could still even end up losing to some broke @ss mofo that just has good game and get cheated on that's just f*cking ridiculous like the plumber or some shit I dont know. You can't be serious... F*CK woman I f*cking hate them now. All they do is piss me off and leave me feeling like the nice guy finishing last every f*cking time. PUA is not for the light hearted or one with a heart at all. I personally don't think having a feeling of love and belonging is worth this much f*cking trouble. There is nothing great about women. I swear if I do get a girl my @sshole meter is going to f*cking blow through the roof, but funny thing is I don't ever want to get married or have a gf or have anything to do with them anymore. I'm just anti - woman now, they are all fucked up, they are too much of an investment, they should be the ones to come get me the way I see it (too bad if nature did not make them that way, idgaf). I don't even care about v@gina, not worth it at all, its a 50% death contract, I don't F*cking want it you can keep it. I'd rather be f*cking alone its an infinite times better than being in a relationship with a woman. I give up not worth the time and effort.

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    Default Re: So much f*#king effort

    Feel better? Lol.

    I know it can get rough man. There's tons of women out there and far far less good ones at that. And it can be very tough to know which ones are worth your time. But I may have a solution for ya.

    I'm going to make a very general assumption that once you meet a nice pretty girl you talk with her and maybe date and just basically see how far it can go. Maybe it doesn't go anywhere. Or maybe it does for a bit until something goes wrong. And then you become jaded about it. Which is normal since you had hopes it could work with a woman and turns out it won't. And having that back to back can be very draining.

    What you need is a list. A list of at least 5 things about your perfect woman, but no more than 10. Don't underestimate the power of the list.

    These traits aren't just to help you find your perfect woman. It's to help you choose which women to take seriously. You see....if you come across a nice, pretty woman, but she has tattoos, smokes/drinks a lot, curses, or whatever that goes against your list it does NOT mean you shouldn't date her. It just means that if you do you shouldn't expect it to last and should just have fun together. And who knows, maybe you see things in her that will make you change your list. We're always maturing and growing so your list can change.

    You need at least 5 things so you're not stuck with "hot" and "sexual" on your list. It needs to be somewhat specific. And less than 10 things so you aren't too specific and it gets impractical. Feel free to add physical traits as well as characteristics. Here are some things to consider

    - argumentative (I like a woman who is willing to argue. Of course there is such a thing as too much and can be detrimental, but it is very healthy to argue. And a woman who is willing to argue means she is willing to communicate to fix problems rather than walk away and go out with her girlfriends to escape her problems.)

    - boundaries (I like a woman with boundaries. Before I'd be cool with her sharing a bed with an ex she was friends with cause I know she was too into me to do anything with them. And hell I'd do the same thing. But then I realized it's not just about trusting her, but respect. Just like sex is something that should be shared between one man and one woman so is a bed. So to me it is disrespectful to share a bed with another man. Of course this depends on your own boundaries and morals)

    Homebody (there's a difference between a girl who parties and a party girl. If she needs to go out to the bar and club in order to have a good time then get used to her going out getting drunk without you. Especially if you're fighting. I like a woman who is fine with sitting home with a movie. Of course even party girls can do this with a new guy they like. But wait until the honeymoon phase is over and she starts to become her regular self again. Does she continue to stay home or does she start going back out to bars again?)

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    Default Re: So much f*#king effort

    Thank you for the refreshing article BatMan!

    You show deep self awareness and profound respect for you and your mates.

    In my eyes you have raised some very important thoughts and have expressed them in thoughtfull manner.

    Define what you want! Which is in fact applicable to all facest of ones life.

    Thank you for raising my spirit and not insulting my intellect.

    I look forward of reading more of your thoughts in the futur...

    I send you my best regards!

    Swiss

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    Default Re: So much f*#king effort

    Thanks. Appreciate it. Are you the original poster? I'm seeing two different names.
    "All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth."

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    Default Re: So much f*#king effort

    Thanks for the reply BatMan,

    A bit but honestly I've had that list for a while and I just don't know if she exists and seriously if she does I don't think I want her anymore, alone is better, I don't see anything great about women, a bit of physical pleasure? I got a lot of better shit to do , they can come get me if they really want me, I ain't no f*cking option. Pua made me a lot better at social and that's what I needed more than a gf, being social the right way changed my life into something really fruitful , and is bringing me lots of success in other parts of my life. Do I give away love willingly or trust no one and live lonely? I'm happy with alone. I'll continue improving instead on social skills. I just cant give 2 f*cks anymore about romance. I'm in class right now and this girl beside me I've been sort of silently gaming hiddenly with body language and accidental kino is going crazy giving me iois like nuts but I just dont care anymore , all women want is emotional stimulation and manipulation, I dont need one. I'm glad your reply to my post is going to help lots of others atleast.

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    Default Re: So much f*#king effort

    I just dont know what to say lol. Better to be alone then be so hurt. That horrifying feeling of being alone and that no one cares about you especially if you are not willing to put forth any effort is f*cked, but I'd rather embrace that and be responsible for myself atleast. because when you do put in effort and they let you down, unbelievable sometimes F*CK that shit. I'm going to keep improving myself and killing it in life for myself and not anyone else, but I ain't getting married or nor do I want a GF, prostitutes seem a lot better right now. i'm going to treat women like such trash from now on, I don't care about a single one of them now. I used to think women were ideal for men, but F*CK THAT, I f*cking hate them.

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    Default Re: So much f*#king effort

    Quote Originally Posted by wildstorms View Post
    Fail after fail is it natural to just begin hating all women?

    They require so much effort, and sometimes you do all that to find that you were just an option. Really feel f*cking special. I need to give away 50% of my life just to put up with her and deal with all her bs? I don't even know if I want to give up that much of me just for some f*cking v@gina. It's a big investment and women are f*cking ruthless, I don't want anything to do with them anymore honestly. Their needs are so specific, screw up a little here and there and its bye bye. Why the f*ck should I have to try so hard. I guess I'm so far away from being a natural that I'm at the bottom of the ladder. Even if I became wildly successful at a career or something they are only coming to me cause I got money and I can provide. F*CK that, that's is so f*cking shallow and I still have to play by these shitty rules of this game, or I could still even end up losing to some broke @ss mofo that just has good game and get cheated on that's just f*cking ridiculous like the plumber or some shit I dont know. You can't be serious... F*CK woman I f*cking hate them now. All they do is piss me off and leave me feeling like the nice guy finishing last every f*cking time. PUA is not for the light hearted or one with a heart at all. I personally don't think having a feeling of love and belonging is worth this much f*cking trouble. There is nothing great about women. I swear if I do get a girl my @sshole meter is going to f*cking blow through the roof, but funny thing is I don't ever want to get married or have a gf or have anything to do with them anymore. I'm just anti - woman now, they are all fucked up, they are too much of an investment, they should be the ones to come get me the way I see it (too bad if nature did not make them that way, idgaf). I don't even care about v@gina, not worth it at all, its a 50% death contract, I don't F*cking want it you can keep it. I'd rather be f*cking alone its an infinite times better than being in a relationship with a woman. I give up not worth the time and effort.

    Dude I really really hear your frustration !!! I was with my X-wife for 20 years and I found her fucking in the back of a truck with a 350 pound bald guy !!! - Yes he was huge yet he was divorced 4 times and had 5 kids with 5 different women !!! He knew how attraction really works and he worked it !!!

    The last year of my Marriage my X-Wife was reading a romance novel a week !!! You think that should have woke me up !!! When I started looking for a reason I found it !!!!

    I used to naturally be a PUA and I didn't even know it. I stood up for myself, set boundaries, had expectations and ultimatums in my relationships, no one could shit test or rattle me - THEN I lost my business in 2008 - went into a depression my wife was making good money - I ended up staying home with the kids and I worked to jobs for a 1/2 of what I used to earn - BUT I BECAME A WOOSEY !! I felt bad about my business failing and my Ex Shit tested me unceasingly I failed and failed every test and her attraction for me PLUMMETED !!

    Though PUA stuff it hard when you have a good nature it's important that you are SELF CONFIDENT, ASSURED and not to give a shit about how anyone treats you !! - I had and amazingly successful business for a long time - it made me cocky, arrogant and self assured - but that was outside of myself - it's what's inside that matters. Carrying yourself like you can and will handle anything - when you get like that you will draw women ( and lots of friends) to you !!!

    There is one SUPER thing I think that you should stick by and I think that most members here would disagree with me on if I girl doesn't show a strong interest in me and after 2 or 3 interactions I don't get her interest into the 80% range - I walk away !!! Why - there are soooooooooooooooooo many women who are single they are everywhere go on OKcupid, Zoosk, POF etc - begging for a man to grab them and love them !!! I don't waste my time gaming and gaming a woman if she wants me she'll show it and for me there are many that do - mostly because I have learned that the better I feel about me - the more people are attracted to me, this is the essence of PUA - a man in control of his shit and his world.

    In reality I let my ex-wife down - no I don't excuse her insane behavior - after all wedding vows are "I DO" not "I MIGHT" but I read somewhere "Woman don't leave men, they leave boys. My divorce forced me to get off my ass, get a new business and become a man again - not for anyone's sake but my own.

    I highly recommend the series by HYPNOTICA "Reinventing Yourself" it was my 1st venture into the attraction game -

    You have what it takes !!! Do yourself a favor and deal with chicks that want to rip your cloths off not ones that kinda like you - it will save you a ton of grief !!!

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    Default Re: So much f*#king effort

    I feel your pain man, from time to time I feel the same way lol. It is a lot of effort and jumping through hoops, passing all of the bull shit tests, only to find that most of the time it will get you no where if you make that one little mistake, or don't do this or that etc. Its frustrating as fuck lol. At the end of the day I remember that I love women despite how shitty they can be at times. Fact is that dating and relationships are hard for them too for different reasons, they just seem to think its ONLY hard for them. I always like arguing with women I know about that. They will say its so much harder for them, men are assholes/shallow/etc and I always like to say if its so easy for men, see that guy at the bar there? Go talk to him and make something happen. Spoiler, they never do.

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    It 's not worth it holding in those feelings. I'm going to keep trying, improving myself for me and no onelse like I knew I wouldnt give up but I knew pretty much all of you would know a little of this pain, I'm glad this forum is around.

    Zoomer your story is similar to reasons why I just can't believe how women can be like that. It's the sad truth, but it's no reason to be immobilized. A man has to fight for everything he believes is his in life, and women, they drill that point right into you, its an infinite game of twisting and tangling eachother through investment after investment, till you both die one day. They are soo daam needy, but boy they sure have a way of making you have to carry that.

    It keeps taking me back to david x, might as well be relentless, but where is the borderline?


    Quote Originally Posted by Zoomer View Post
    get a new business and become a man again - not for anyone's sake but my own.
    That is the best approach, to keep getting better only for yourself, for no one else. It's good to hear you got back up on your feet. What kind of business is it?


    Quote Originally Posted by 2champ2 View Post
    Fact is that dating and relationships are hard for them too for different reasons, they just seem to think its ONLY hard for them.
    Yes they don't even know themselves why they act the way they do.

    Is this why older men, aged 45+ all treat their wives like pure dirt? Women with any kind of dominance or power will demand more since she can get more. So they keep treating their wives like @ss + THEY GET DRAMA* Women f*cking love it and thus they stick around with the guy. Flirting + relationship related drama + harsh teasing(lowering their esteem all the time), its f*cked up to say but I've seen this type of scenario keep couples together the longest, especially once you are married they feel like they have more right, being your wife, but women + power = not good. And no matter what women keep sh1t testing you for life? Only way to own them at sh1t tests? thats f*cked up. Men and Women will never be equals

    You can't treat them as an equal. Boy no wonder why women run at the speed of light if you put them on a pedestal, They know their a woman and their weak, just keep them there, they will need you forever? Going head - on doesn't work you have to treat them as if they are at a lower level than you, treating them like @ss = . Is that really it? WOMEN LOVE DRAMA?

    I'm sure most of you on this forum are nice guys, that would treat his wife like a queen and give her all his love. But it's sad that we nice guys have to resort to this type of thinking to get with women. I can imagine if a man does not fullfill his role a.k.a acts to lovey dovey all the time or being nice etc, the women start to get bored( boredom = repetition) this also helps both the man and woman (Woman feel emotion so much, they get desensitized to having the same emotion all the time pretty quickly, and get bored fast) improve eachother and keep the relationship continuosly fresh in a way. They forever and always need you to be a man, nothing more and nothing less. Better to treat them like ass then to let them make you feel like ass, only way I'm starting to think.

    Drama = Romance? Their favorite way of bonding?

    baseline you have to be treating them like sh1t and continuously in doing so because treating them like equals is never going to work.

    her being a bitch towards you is a really great thing. It's a sh1t test that creates drama directed towards the relationship, , if shes a bitch in general thats something else. but men get hurt and take it the wrong way and end up hurting the women, but the best way is to lower their esteem and keep them there? sh1ttests are always going to be there eh, hence you see some men knock out there women out of rage, like that football player that knocked his wife out. It's better that we don't understand eachother and arguments create dramatic experiences where we get to know eachother?

    Ok I'm just rambling on now, but am I sort of on the right path of thinking here?

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    Default Re: So much f*#king effort

    Even if I became wildly successful at a career or something they are only coming to me cause I got money and I can provide. F*CK that, that's is so f*cking shallow and I still have to play by these shitty rules of this game, or I could still even end up losing to some broke @ss mofo that just has good game and get cheated on that's just f*cking ridiculous like the plumber or some shit I dont know. You can't be serious...
    I'd like to clarify something, for starters there are no rules in this game. make no mistake it is dog eat dog. pass on your genes or be unapologetically weeded out of existence. there is no right or wrong way to win. and there are many ways to win.


    the thing you are forgetting here is that women play the same game. they are all competing against each other for the best possible mates. this is why studies suggest that 20 percent of the males get 80 percent of the females.

    simple fact is, you have to have something to offer. otherwise any other guy is just as good as you are. the more you have to offer, the more quality women will consider you.

    you don't have to like how it is, but the fact remains: as men we are the marketers, and women are the buyers.

    as marketers, we do have to appeal to what the buyers desire. if the product isn't good, they aren't going to buy. simple as that.

    here's something few people realize: most of the people who write books on getting women, were already good products before they had to learned to sell their product. take neil Strauss as an example: he was already a successful writer, tall, skinny, cool, celebrity connections and has plenty of good stories from going on tour with rockstars, and interviewing movie stars and songwriters like tom cruise, Brittany spears and countless others. all he needed was to learn how to market his product.

    now take your below average dude who doesn't have any real advantages: works in fast food, overweight, plays way too many video games, average height, barely affords to pay rent, has a few ok stories about his small circle of friends who occasionally do something cool. this guy needs more than just "game". he needs to improve his life in other areas to make himself more appealing.


    for a woman, the obvious choice is to go with the more interesting, better looking, more financially secure, cooler guy.

    there are many other factors besides just game.

    just to farther my point, take suave kino: tall, well endowed, wealthy (or at least has wealthy friends), probably above average looks, fit, fun to hang out with. the guy probably didn't need much game to get girls before he found the pua community. (no wonder he gets raped by hb10's)

    having advantages matters.

    if you want the hottest girls, you need every possible advantage. don't fool yourself into thinking that "game" is all that matters.

    I could still even end up losing to some broke @ss mofo
    you're probably safe against some broke mofo who doesn't have any real advantage over you.

    for instance, I had solid game on this girl Hannah who I was introduced to by a friend, but she wouldn't cheat on her live-in boyfriend because he gave her security. while she worked at dollar general, he was the bread winner building boats for a 40,000 dollar salary. (not to mention he was taller and better looking than me) I had no real security to offer her, working a part time job paying my way through college, still living with my parents. of course she chose him over me (despite the fact that I amogged him)

    sometimes closing comes down to one thing, having real value. (not just game)


    even take david x, one of my favorite pick up artists, he may not be all that good looking, but he still has plenty of advantages: he's rich, well endowed, experienced, well traveled, entertaining, owns his own restaurant, etc...


    in the words of my favorite author tucker max: "there's good game, then there's great game, then there's no game"


    instead of hating the system, learn to manipulate it.

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