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    wikiwally is offline PUA Forums Respected Contributor
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    Default Do looks really matter?

    I've heard many gurus say, that they aren't important, but what if you are ugly?

    Looking for a true no bullshit answer.

    I've noticed how some women react when they see me ( Im a large black guy), they cross to the other side of the road, they get nervous etc.

    When people say looks dont matter 9/10 times they are referring to an average looking 7/10 guy, but they never consider the 6 or below guy.

    What do you guys think?

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    Default Re: Do looks really matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by wikiwally View Post
    I've heard many gurus say, that they aren't important, but what if you are ugly?

    Looking for a true no bullshit answer.

    I've noticed how some women react when they see me ( Im a large black guy), they cross to the other side of the road, they get nervous etc.

    When people say looks dont matter 9/10 times they are referring to an average looking 7/10 guy, but they never consider the 6 or below guy.

    What do you guys think?
    It doesnt Matter how your face looks.

    Lets say there is a guy who has the hottest face you will ever see.
    But. He has no friends, No social Interactions, No Job, Dresses poorly, messy hair, not groomed. etc.

    And theres an Average or Below looking guy, Yet. He is Dressed Very Well, Stylish, Has lots of friends, a job, Etc. you get what im saying, who would the girl choose?

    Mystery Does peacocking, and i really dont think Race Matters.
    Im not an expert but from what i read this is how it goes (:

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    Default Re: Do looks really matter?

    I'd say looks matter only to a certain extent, and it depends on the girl as well. Some girls will value looks more than others. Also, if you're a good-looking guy, it will obviously give you some advantages. Like, for example, more girls might approach you because they have that initial physical attraction. Additionally, a good-looking guy has a little bit more room for error. When it comes down to it though, looks don't sustain attraction. Without game, looks are pretty useless. On the other hand, if you're not that good-looking, but you have game, you can still attract high quality women. I'm a good-looking guy, but guess what. I've never had a girlfriend. My good looks have only opened up some opportunities in my life. Like I've had girls initiate things with me by asking for my number or trying to get my attention, but I currently have poor game. Therefore, my looks haven't helped me hardly at all. You just need to make yourself look the best you can. Be well-groomed.

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    Default Re: Do looks really matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somebody View Post
    I'd say looks matter only to a certain extent, and it depends on the girl as well. Some girls will value looks more than others. Also, if you're a good-looking guy, it will obviously give you some advantages. Like, for example, more girls might approach you because they have that initial physical attraction. Additionally, a good-looking guy has a little bit more room for error. When it comes down to it though, looks don't sustain attraction. Without game, looks are pretty useless. On the other hand, if you're not that good-looking, but you have game, you can still attract high quality women. I'm a good-looking guy, but guess what. I've never had a girlfriend. My good looks have only opened up some opportunities in my life. Like I've had girls initiate things with me by asking for my number or trying to get my attention, but I currently have poor game. Therefore, my looks haven't helped me hardly at all. You just need to make yourself look the best you can. Be well-groomed.
    no, but age does. get yourself cleaned up, go to the dentist, smell good, get a good job and have some real friends....women do not like guys that have no friends. its a red flag. also, start working out so you are athletic. then, face doesnt matter as much. also, one last thing - do not be a jerk. some of the advice on this site teaches you to treat women like dirt. not cool.

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    Default Re: Do looks really matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Adam12 View Post
    no, but age does. get yourself cleaned up, go to the dentist, smell good, get a good job and have some real friends....women do not like guys that have no friends. its a red flag. also, start working out so you are athletic. then, face doesnt matter as much. also, one last thing - do not be a jerk. some of the advice on this site teaches you to treat women like dirt. not cool.
    I have everything you listed except friends, which I know would turn almost any women off even though I'm a good person and I know I have a lot to offer a woman. I'm just struggling with shyness which makes it difficult for me to make friends and attract women. Like, for example, I was recently dating this girl and basically trying to cover up the fact that I have no friends. It didn't matter though because I acted so insecure and shy that she stopped contacting me.

    I was a jerk one time we were out together because I unintentionally insulted her, thinking at the time I was playfully teasing her, but not really. I was just insulting because I'm not experienced with even talking to women, let alone trying to playfully tease them. Treating women this way, like dirt, doesn't work unless the woman has a really low self-esteem. Obviously, even if it did, I wouldn't advise it. There's a fine line, I now know, between playfully teasing a girl about something and insulting her.

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    Default Re: Do looks really matter?

    You don't have a picture, so there's no way we can know what you look like, but there are ways to improve looks. Dress well and join a gym if you aren't already muscular. There's really nothing you can do about your face other than grow a beard if that looks better and keep your hair and beard well groomed, along with your eyebrows, etc.

    When I say "dress well," I mean this... read the book "Models" by Mark Manson and wear the "black set." This is... a black suit jacket with a colored button down underneath along with well-fitting jeans (not black pants) and black shoes.

    Make more money. Be successful in what you do. Get a job you love. Live a lifestyle you like.

    Be "preselected" by other girls. (How do you find the first one? Good question.)... and a lot of girls are attracted to behavior, not necessarily just looks.

    You could find someone. Even be open with girls that you are insecure about your looks and maybe that will make them like you better. They will see you as human.

    I'm no expert, but that's what I have to offer.

    I would recommend the book "Models" by Mark Manson if you haven't read it already.

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    Default Re: Do looks really matter?

    Oh yes, the age old debate. How much do women care about my looks? Most guys think women care more than they actually do because that's the way we think. However, women place less of an emphasis on looks than we do. I think women care more about general appearance than men do. If we see a sloppy looking girl but she's still beautiful we still want to bang her. If a woman sees a guy who's maybe average looking but is well put together and dresses nice that will score him more points than a guy who looks like Brad Pitt who is disheveled, smelly and basically a slob. I'm not saying looks aren't a factor but I think it's less than most guys assume. If you have tight game it becomes more about appearance. If you have poor game you probably have to rely on luck unless you happen to look like a GQ model.

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    Default Re: Do looks really matter?

    I think they like brains, too. That hasn't been mentioned on this post yet.

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    Default Re: Do looks really matter?

    Looks matter for the initial part of the interaction.
    However being able to smile, bs and quickly think of a funny response helps.
    Also based on my experience you have to be direct, you can be a good looking guy but a girl might like you and think you don't see her that way.
    You have to make it clear or throw it in there playfully in the conversation.
    In addition, looks are one thing you can work on. You can always workout even if you don't have a handsome face you can be the equivalent of a "butter face" for chicks. This is assuming you are well groomed and dress with a style that fits your body type, face and personality. Can't go out there looking like a noob.

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    redstar1324 is offline PUA Forums Respected Contributor Achievements:
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    Default Re: Do looks really matter?

    Yes. Smile is important. I should work on that. I think that's all it would take actually.


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