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    Default Re: Mystery Method is outdated?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillEdward View Post
    Personally, it's much more enjoyable for me to use natural game and getting investment from the girl. It's also more efficient. Qualify her early instead of using DHVs. Assume higher status instead of bragging and she will invest towards you and break rapport if she doesn't and allow her to regain herself again by qualifying her, then reward her with escalation.
    How do you assume higher status without bragging?

    I have this problem. I buy apartment complexes for a living (I own 24% of a company that does this)...

    There is no way they would know this if I didn't tell them and I'm not going to sit around and talk about nothing and wait for them to ask...

    I also once "talked to," a girl whose dad owns over $5.5 billion of real estate and tried to buy the Empire State Building...

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    Default Re: Mystery Method is outdated?

    Mystery method is only about 1/2 to 2/3rds correct IMO. I know Erik (Mystery) personally and despite our differences, he has spent his whole life gaming and still at 44 years old is banging women that a lot of good-looking 25 year old's wish they could smash.

    Regardless, he doesn't have a very open-mind on trying anything new, or developing his craft further and he could work on his speed-seduction. He wastes a lot of time on a single female - when he could be talking to many others with the same goods to offer. This is probably why he tends to cry a lot, in general, over women when he begins to lose them; those who know him know what I mean.

    One thing Mystery doesn't understand is that chemistry has a lot to do with attraction and that is one thing he finds hard to accept. He thinks that he can trigger responses based on behavior, when that may be true to an extent, but not completely.

    In reality outer-game is only about 1/4 of what attracts a woman to a man. Many women have their own ideal type and even a man that fits the 'status quo' to the tee - will STILL not always be every single woman's type.
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    Default Re: Mystery Method is outdated?

    Quote Originally Posted by redsky View Post
    Mystery method is only about 1/2 to 2/3rds correct IMO. I know Erik (Mystery) personally and despite our differences, he has spent his whole life gaming and still at 44 years old is banging women that a lot of good-looking 25 year old's wish they could smash.

    Regardless, he doesn't have a very open-mind on trying anything new, or developing his craft further and he could work on his speed-seduction. He wastes a lot of time on a single female - when he could be talking to many others with the same goods to offer. This is probably why he tends to cry a lot, in general, over women when he begins to lose them; those who know him know what I mean.

    One thing Mystery doesn't understand is that chemistry has a lot to do with attraction and that is one thing he finds hard to accept. He thinks that he can trigger responses based on behavior, when that may be true to an extent, but not completely.

    In reality outer-game is only about 1/4 of what attracts a woman to a man. Many women have their own ideal type and even a man that fits the 'status quo' to the tee - will STILL not always be every single woman's type.

    LOL if you read "The game by neil strauss" this guy was talking about how mystery broke down and almost broke crazy.

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    Default Re: Mystery Method is outdated?

    Well aware.

    Look at him on YouTube. He's good, but odd.

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    Default Re: Mystery Method is outdated?

    Quote Originally Posted by redstar1324 View Post
    How do you assume higher status without bragging?

    I have this problem. I buy apartment complexes for a living (I own 24% of a company that does this)...

    There is no way they would know this if I didn't tell them and I'm not going to sit around and talk about nothing and wait for them to ask...

    I also once "talked to," a girl whose dad owns over $5.5 billion of real estate and tried to buy the Empire State Building...
    That information is irrelevant for a girl to hear and can be harmful to you if you tell her this about you. It can go against you in either one or both of these ways...

    It will either come off as bragging and unattractive or she will put you in provider frame because she is a gold digger.

    If she asks you what you do, instead of qualifying yourself, make her guess or break rapport and tell her you do something ridiculous so she knows you're joking, and then start qualifying her.

    If you break rapport, and she still asks you what you do, then you can give a short answer and casually say you work in real estate, and continue qualifying her so she starts investing towards you. And when she does find out how successful you are, it will even be more attractive because it's not a big deal to you.

    The less information she knows about you the better. It creates mystery, which is attractive and you're making her chase and invest towards you by her telling more information about herself.

    Think about how a CEO acts when interviewing someone for a position. Who is asking who questions? Who is qualifying themselves? A man of high-status doesn't qualify himself. Check out my post on why you should stop qualifying yourself.

    It's funny, I used to think that the more great things about myself I told to a girl, the more logical reasons she would have to want to be with me. I realized over time that attraction was an emotional decision, which can be triggered by your sub-communication and having her work towards you.

    If she's spending so much time with you and telling deep personal information about herself, then she will subconsciously become more attracted to you. She'll rationalize that she must like you if she's putting all this and spending all this time you.

    When she's spent the whole night with you, investing and talking about herself, she won't just ditch you for some other guy that comes up to her, even if he might be better looking or more successful than you. She put enough work into you that she wants something at the end of the night. Investment solidifies attraction and she will want a return on that investment.
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    Default Re: Mystery Method is outdated?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillEdward View Post
    That information is irrelevant for a girl to hear and can be harmful to you if you tell her this about you. It can go against you in either one or both of these ways...

    It will either come off as bragging and unattractive or she will put you in provider frame because she is a gold digger.

    If she asks you what you do, instead of qualifying yourself, make her guess or break rapport and tell her you do something ridiculous so she knows you're joking, and then start qualifying her.

    If you break rapport, and she still asks you what you do, then you can give a short answer and casually say you work in real estate, and continue qualifying her so she starts investing towards you. Investment solidifies attraction.

    The less information she knows about you the better. It creates mystery, which is attractive and you're making her chase and invest towards you by her telling more information about herself.

    Think about how a CEO acts when interviewing someone for a position. Who is asking who questions? Who is qualifying themselves? A man of high-status doesn't qualify himself. Check out my post on why you should stop qualifying yourself.

    It's funny, I used to think that the more great things about myself I told to a girl, the more logical reasons she would have to want to be with me. I realized over time that attraction was an emotional decision, which can be triggered by your sub-communication and having her work towards you.

    If she's spending so much time with you and telling deep personal information about herself, then she will subconsciously become more attracted to you. She'll rationalize that she must like you if she's putting all this and spending all this time you.

    When she's spent the whole night with you talking about herself, she won't just ditch you for some other guy that comes up to her, even if he might be better looking or more successful than you. She put enough work into you that she wants something at the end of the night. She will want a return on that investment.
    The point is that no one is more successful than me. I spend all my time doing this, do you really think I should give a joke answer like "I train octopuses?" Has this ever actually worked for anyone?

    What is the return on investment that she will want?

    I think "I own an apartment complex," is a much better answer and as far as gold diggers... No one said I am giving money to anyone.

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    Default Re: Mystery Method is outdated?

    Quote Originally Posted by redstar1324 View Post
    The point is that no one is more successful than me. I spend all my time doing this, do you really think I should give a joke answer like "I train octopuses?" Has this ever actually worked for anyone?

    What is the return on investment that she will want?

    I think "I own an apartment complex," is a much better answer and as far as gold diggers... No one said I am giving money to anyone.
    LOL the "I train octopuses" is actually not a bad line... it has to be calibrated, but she will usually laugh at something like this and it keeps the conversation light and playful, which is part of flirting.

    The return on that investment may be a few things, but it is generally she wants some type of reward from you. It can either be to see you again another day or see you later that night...

    Whenever a girl is investing towards you, you should reward her with some type of verbal approval and physical escalation. This anchors her investment with your touch and approval, which is amazing. You're rewarding her good behavior with positive reinforcement. I go more in detail on reciprocating her investment and rewarding with escalation here.

    "I own an apartment complex" can definitely come off as bragging and it almost elicits her to prod you with more questions.

    I may be wrong, but I'm assuming (at least on a subconscious level) that's probably something you want her to do because it's something you've worked hard for and you're proud to talk about your achievements, which I totally understand. However, it definitely can put you in provider frame and have her put in you in that box instead of a potential sexual mate.

    I'm not saying you're planning on giving money to anyone, but saying something that may boast a lot, may trigger her to put you in that frame and try to get you to play into that role by giving false indicators of interest.

    Another reason you don't want to talk much about yourself is because generally people don't' really care that much about what you have to say. Everybody's favorite topic is themselves, which is great because it puts less pressure on you and you can just have them do most of the work and talking and you just sit back and reward them and build commonalities.
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    Default Re: Mystery Method is outdated?

    Quote Originally Posted by redstar1324 View Post
    The point is that no one is more successful than me. I spend all my time doing this, do you really think I should give a joke answer like "I train octopuses?" Has this ever actually worked for anyone?

    What is the return on investment that she will want?

    I think "I own an apartment complex," is a much better answer and as far as gold diggers... No one said I am giving money to anyone.

    The point is being playful.
    If you tell the girl you have value, then she'll think you don't have value.

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    Default Re: Mystery Method is outdated?

    Quote Originally Posted by restoshaman View Post
    The point is being playful.
    If you tell the girl you have value, then she'll think you don't have value.
    How is telling her that I train octopuses showing value?

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    Default Re: Mystery Method is outdated?

    Quote Originally Posted by redstar1324 View Post
    How is telling her that I train octopuses showing value?
    It shows her that you are playful and that you can make her laugh and laughing is the best attraction, your status won't show her value or make her laugh.


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