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    Default Re: Attraction is a science or is it too random to be defined

    Quote Originally Posted by rom9 View Post
    Thanks guys. I would like to know anyone here who can provide some good coaching ?

    I am a resident of Ireland so its only skype possible.
    I can coach you. Maybe even live. I might be moving to Belfast in April, depends if I get the VISA or not .
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    Default Re: Attraction is a science or is it too random to be defined

    Quote Originally Posted by rom9 View Post
    Hi Guys
    I have thinking of this lately. It seems PUA is all about the numbers. Yes there is to some degree you can learn and refine your skills as a PUA just like in everything in life (and stand out of the crowd). BUT
    I feels its a numbers game at the end since the more u approach the more probability you have.
    You could be the smoothest guy around but if a girl does not find u "attractive" there is almost zero chances you are ever gonna be with her. This comes down to factors that are out of our control (race, physique, looks and so on).
    This is the reason why some guys (usually of a typical physical description) have to do nothing to get to women where as some who have to up their game to the top levels and even then face disappointment.
    Now just cause you got handed a bad card in the genetic pool does not mean you give up BUT what I am saying is that this nonsensical idea that becoming a perfect guy (smooth and charming) will get you all you want. Luck is still a massive factor !

    Thoughts ?
    Luck is a massive factor in Pick up it is such a random thing ! It depends what your feeling what she's feeling what the atmosphere of the place is like... It has a science part though. Take push and pull for example it WILL confuse the girl and get her wondering what you mean. It will make you creep inside your head man !! Another example is that statistics show women will respond more likely to texts than to phone calls! So you wouldn't want to call her if she gives you her number, just text.
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    Default Re: Attraction is a science or is it too random to be defined

    Luck? Not so sure about it, if you are aproaching good, you can change girls feelings, if you belive in luke you dont have power over your life, its awkward like people who beleive in destiny. Cool story.

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    Default Re: Attraction is a science or is it too random to be defined

    Quote Originally Posted by bojan.95 View Post
    Luck? Not so sure about it, if you are aproaching good, you can change girls feelings, if you belive in luke you dont have power over your life, its awkward like people who beleive in destiny. Cool story.
    Not always easy to change a girl's emotion, it takes skill and mastery. Luck is finding a yes girl...a one that's already down to hook up.
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    Default Re: Attraction is a science or is it too random to be defined

    Quote Originally Posted by rom9 View Post
    Hi Guys
    It seems PUA is all about the numbers. Yes there is to some degree you can learn and refine your skills as a PUA just like in everything in life (and stand out of the crowd). BUT
    I feels its a numbers game at the end since the more u approach the more probability you have.

    Thoughts ?
    I paraphrased.

    You ask the question as if it's either a numbers game and luck OR it's about improving skill. You need to realize that improving skill IS a numbers game heavily based on luck - as is all learning of any technique. We have martial arts and black smithing and architecture and physics and every other art/science because someone in the past (1) got luck, (2) noticed how it happened, (3) kept doing that thing in a numbers game, and (4) built their skill in that specific way. That's how game began with MM and developed from there.

    Yes, it is about luck and skill and numbers - find what you're lucky at and then play the numbers game in that direction to build your skills.

    Furthermore, don't rely on luck alone. The tone of your post make me feel like this needs to be said: Don't assume that, because luck is a factor, you can rely entirely on luck. Luck is like spinning a bottle - yes, every now and then you'll get lucky enough to be pointing in the right direction - and yes, guys who are lucky enough to have big bottles (take that as whatever it means in this metaphor) will be pointing in the right direction more frequently. But when the direction changes mid game they will be lost - if they don't understand the game.

    You need game to know how to navigate when the winds change whether or not you luckily pointed your sails in the right direction.

    And it all concludes with the definition of game. If you see game as a way to get laid - you've already lost. You're chasing women and trying to mold yourself to appeal to them. But if you see game as being a self-improved/improving male, and knowing how women think so that you can communicate yourself to them as such - then you will understand how it is luck+numbers+skill
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    Default Re: Attraction is a science or is it too random to be defined

    Quote Originally Posted by Autismus View Post
    I paraphrased.

    You ask the question as if it's either a numbers game and luck OR it's about improving skill. You need to realize that improving skill IS a numbers game heavily based on luck - as is all learning of any technique. We have martial arts and black smithing and architecture and physics and every other art/science because someone in the past (1) got luck, (2) noticed how it happened, (3) kept doing that thing in a numbers game, and (4) built their skill in that specific way. That's how game began with MM and developed from there.

    Yes, it is about luck and skill and numbers - find what you're lucky at and then play the numbers game in that direction to build your skills.

    Furthermore, don't rely on luck alone. The tone of your post make me feel like this needs to be said: Don't assume that, because luck is a factor, you can rely entirely on luck. Luck is like spinning a bottle - yes, every now and then you'll get lucky enough to be pointing in the right direction - and yes, guys who are lucky enough to have big bottles (take that as whatever it means in this metaphor) will be pointing in the right direction more frequently. But when the direction changes mid game they will be lost - if they don't understand the game.

    You need game to know how to navigate when the winds change whether or not you luckily pointed your sails in the right direction.

    And it all concludes with the definition of game. If you see game as a way to get laid - you've already lost. You're chasing women and trying to mold yourself to appeal to them. But if you see game as being a self-improved/improving male, and knowing how women think so that you can communicate yourself to them as such - then you will understand how it is luck+numbers+skill
    Fucking A !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
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    Default Re: Attraction is a science or is it too random to be defined

    Quote Originally Posted by Autismus View Post
    I paraphrased.

    You're chasing women and trying to mold yourself to appeal to them. But if you see game as being a self-improved/improving male, and knowing how women think so that you can communicate yourself to them as such - then you will understand how it is luck+numbers+skill
    Awesome post dude. Like all skills it takes time; something that people with tough jobs and other life conditions cant always afford. But then again no pain no gain...

    However the sentence in the quote seems to contradict. "trying to mold yourself to appeal to them." seems clearly needy ! However when you say " game as being a self-improved/improving male, and knowing how women think so that you can communicate yourself to them as such" is in fact just another way of saying you are molding yourself to appeal to them !

    Self improvement to get women seems the same as molding yourself to appeal to them ! Maybe what you mean is as a man do what you think makes you a better person and you will eventually win over women who like you for who you are....

    But then that means you have to really run the numbers game a lot !! Most young women are not sure what they are looking for and hence we need the GAME to understand some rules. This is why Men have to lie so much to women ! If you are yourself around most women you wont get anywhere with them !

    Quiet a philosophical topic this has become. Thanks anyways for your inputs.

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    Default Re: Attraction is a science or is it too random to be defined

    Quote Originally Posted by rom9 View Post
    But then that means you have to really run the numbers game a lot !! Most young women are not sure what they are looking for and hence we need the GAME to understand some rules. This is why Men have to lie so much to women ! If you are yourself around most women you wont get anywhere with them !

    Quiet a philosophical topic this has become. Thanks anyways for your inputs.
    I didn't read all the replies to this thread but I had to respond to this. You do not have to lie to women or "not be yourself" around women. That is a surefire way to get less women. Most guys don't get the women they want because they act different around them. If you act the same around women you want as you act around women you don't want you will get all the women you ever wanted.

    All you need to do to get women is to be yourself, show genuine interest in them, but not care if you get them or not. Your life will not be better if you had a woman so if she doesn't want you that's fine, there's ten single women around the corner. That's really how simple it is. That's what confidence is. I don't lie to the women I talk to. I tell them I live with my dad at the moment and if I'm unemployed I tell them too. Why? Because it doesn't make me a different person. They don't care. In fact, they love the confidence.

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    Default Re: Attraction is a science or is it too random to be defined

    I personally see attraction as a type of social science. Also various Psychologist and such have proved attraction neurologically showing how men and women respond differently to attraction. For example, when a man is in a conversation the main part of his brain that really "lights up" is his left cerebral hemisphere (left side) but with a woman both sides of her brain are in tune to the conversation, Neurologists have found. So yes, I would say that attraction can be viewed as a science. -Chris Valentine

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    Default Re: Attraction is a science or is it too random to be defined

    I think its an art and you must have confidence in you ,if your beliefs are that you are a gygolo then you are a gygolo.But i would say that practice its the best solution to master this game and oing what you afraid most with gilrs you will succes


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