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    Default How do you gain social status?

    If it is true that social status is more important than money, then how do you gain social status?

    I know this question has been asked before, but fresh opinions never hurt anything...

    Obviously, we're not talking about running for president here....

    What examples of high social status do you see?

    Are we talking among a social circle including other males as well as females? Do you have to climb the ranks to be the top male? Or does an alpha male hang out by himself?

    I've known of hot girls who date lawyers and the managers/owners of restaurants and other businesses.... all of these guys have money...

    What is your definition of high social status and how is it achieved? What character traits are necessary to obtain this status?

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    Default Re: How do you gain social status?

    Here's some examples (this is from mystery so people might "hate" and think its outdated)

    "What men see attractive in women is simply her replication value"
    "What women see attractice in men is his surival & replication value"

    If you see a girl with an ugly man just for his money, she's only there for his survival value, but rarely his replication value. That means she'll follow him around but they won't have sex, unless the man DHV then he might just.

    1. preselection
    (Being seen with other women)
    2. leader of men
    (You are the main attraction, everyone's listening to you)
    3. protector of loved one's
    (Only saying good things about your group of friends/family)
    4. willingness to remote, change emotions.
    (Know when it's time to be playful, romantic, serious, etc)
    5. Non Needy
    (self explanatory, don't come off as you NEED the girl rather than it'll be cool to have her)
    6. social intellegence
    (self explanatory as well, an exmaple would be if a girl looks at you and starts smiling, you aren't going to use an in-direct opener(btw ppl in this forums just recommend you just use direct openers)
    7. Negs
    (this iod is also a DHV)
    8. strong frame
    (This is how you pass her "shit test" by believing what you want not what she says)
    9. interesting knoledge
    (Don't talk about shit that's boring or shit that she already knows)
    10. emotional stimulation
    (I'm trying to give an example for each point, this ones hard, search up "anchoring" I believe I could relate it to that.)
    11. being socially in demand
    (People asking for ur approval)
    12. connecting conversationally
    (self explanatory, this ones a no brainer)
    13. unaffected
    (that means you're unaffected by her looks or if she rejects you)

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    Default Re: How do you gain social status?

    ^^True Dat. Think of it in terms of Confectionary Sugar and Real Sugar. A Man with game is like real sugar (alpha male). A man with money is like confectionary sugar (sugar daddy) and a man with no game and no money is like salt.

    With that said in addition to what's previously mentioned most chicks (high value chicks like HB9+) WANT THE REAL DEAL aka they want their cake and want to eat it too. In essence they want a Man WITH game and WITH money. But normally they will go for a man with game first and if he is not want she wants then she will go for the fake dude with cash. This usually means they are fake too and just gold diggers anyway.


    Let's put this on a real level. Most and I mean most IF NOT ALL just want a man with some game who can take care of himself. I have never been asked how much money I make, what kinda of car I drive, where I live, etc. These things are not in the demographic unless you are making it a point you have money to impress her then of course she will know and try to take advantage. Because I don't have money I make it a point to avoid the issue and I do just fine. It does hurt me in some situations but for the most part I do better than the dude buying out the Club,

    In reference to having what you call "high social status" this is a bit of loaded gun which I care not to fire off right now. But I am willing to talk about "Social Proof" which to me is more important.

    Social Proof:
    Becoming a regular, getting to know the staff of a venue (bartenders, waitresses, etc), befriending your competition, etc.

    In doing these things (gaining social proof) you are setting yourself apart from the rampant douchebaggery running around. You have all seen it. The "hoovers at the Bar" houndering the hot bartender for HOURS ON END thinking they are the "sh!t" when I spend about 10 min and 10 min and 10 min. I go off in short bursts and I never linger (I am a busy man being a PUA and all gotta approach). The difference is they hoover for hours and get nowhere and I come in and approach 5-6 times with a bartender I really like but I come in hard and fast. "hey you look great" "what's your name" "I know the other bartenders here"

    Bartender game to me is easy. Get to know the other bar staff and when I approach a new girl I am all over her "You getting me in next week" "we taking shots later". This is so far beyond the stupid hoovering of "Oh I have this much money" from most of the doucebags in the Club.


    If you want Social Proof that is just an example but in essence social proof is just "not being a threat to any one particular girl" and "having value with women". You do this by knowing your surroundings, approaching chicks, getting to the staff (if possible). You don't have to be a try hard this stuff comes naturally for me it is fun. If I was just approaching girls all night I might lose steam. But building social proof, getting to know the venue, approaching girls becomes like a process for me.

    I used to be stuck on that "one girl" you know be so honed in would talk to no one else and even stared for hours just by the wall or something. This is TERRIBLE for your inner game. Me being outgoing and open-minded really opens you up so that you are already in a talkative mood when said girl approaches or approach time comes. That's just the gist of it but I could say much more. Just a taste for now.
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    Default Re: How do you gain social status?

    Why are you saying that people with money are fake?

    I own 24% of a company that is about to buy our first apartment complex.

    When I go out, I drink water, juice, or coffee and I tip about $2 every time. I don't "buy out the club," nor would I want to.

    I wasn't born into an extremely rich family. This is new to me. Granted, I wasn't born in the slums, either. I have been homeless before for months at a time.

    I know a millionaire who owns a painting company. He built the company from scratch. What's fake about that? (but this is getting off topic, I'm just saying I'm a little obsessive about my business to tell someone that I train octopuses)...

    I don't understand the difference between survival and replication value for a male. What is it? And although Mystery came up with these theories, I don't see him having any value at all. He is not rich and he probably couldn't fight to save his life.

    And as far as gold diggers, I never said I was giving anything to anyone.

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    Default Re: How do you gain social status?

    Quote Originally Posted by redstar1324 View Post
    Why are you saying that people with money are fake?

    I own 24% of a company that is about to buy our first apartment complex.

    When I go out, I drink water, juice, or coffee and I tip about $2 every time. I don't "buy out the club," nor would I want to.

    I wasn't born into an extremely rich family. This is new to me. Granted, I wasn't born in the slums, either. I have been homeless before for months at a time.

    I know a millionaire who owns a painting company. He built the company from scratch. What's fake about that? (but this is getting off topic, I'm just saying I'm a little obsessive about my business to tell someone that I train octopuses)...

    I don't understand the difference between survival and replication value for a male. What is it? And although Mystery came up with these theories, I don't see him having any value at all. He is not rich and he probably couldn't fight to save his life.

    And as far as gold diggers, I never said I was giving anything to anyone.
    Noooooo, you still don't get the message ahahaa! We never said people with money are fake. No one said your millionaire friend is fake either!

    We are honestly here to help you, we're not giving you advice to bring you down in any way.
    That being said, when you talk to a girl eventually (especially knowing you) you will bring up the thread where you explain you're a very successful man and will be very weathly later on in your life.

    If you bring that up too soon in a cold approach it will NOT benefit you, it won't create an authentic vibe of attraction. This will open the possiblity of you being used and also will make you look narcissistic. (The only way you can talk about your work is if the girl reall constantly asks you, which may not happen in your first approach)

    If you bring that up AFTER you build attraction, then it'll be okay to say you're going to be wealthy one day because now she deserves to know.

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    Default Re: How do you gain social status?

    Quote Originally Posted by restoshaman View Post
    Noooooo, you still don't get the message ahahaa! We never said people with money are fake. No one said your millionaire friend is fake either!

    We are honestly here to help you, we're not giving you advice to bring you down in any way.
    That being said, when you talk to a girl eventually (especially knowing you) you will bring up the thread where you explain you're a very successful man and will be very weathly later on in your life.

    If you bring that up too soon in a cold approach it will NOT benefit you, it won't create an authentic vibe of attraction. This will open the possiblity of you being used and also will make you look narcissistic. (The only way you can talk about your work is if the girl reall constantly asks you, which may not happen in your first approach)

    If you bring that up AFTER you build attraction, then it'll be okay to say you're going to be wealthy one day because now she deserves to know.
    Okay, so what do I talk about in the meantime? How I train octopuses? I don't know what to talk about in the initial stages other than "where are you from?" Etc... Boring things, but maybe this is normal...

    I don't know what else I have to offer for authentic attraction... Any ideas?

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    Default Re: How do you gain social status?

    Quote Originally Posted by redstar1324 View Post
    I don't understand the difference between survival and replication value for a male. What is it? And although Mystery came up with these theories, I don't see him having any value at all. He is not rich and he probably couldn't fight to save his life.
    You are still thinking to logistically, but I don't blame you because that's just how men think.
    Imagin if a wealthy, healthy, smart and strong man switched bodies with a skinny, broke, dumb, weak man.
    The man that's now in the skinny, broke and weak body will still be stronger than his previous body because of his frame of mind.

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    Default Re: How do you gain social status?

    Quote Originally Posted by redstar1324 View Post
    Okay, so what do I talk about in the meantime? How I train octopuses? I don't know what to talk about in the initial stages other than "where are you from?" Etc... Boring things, but maybe this is normal...

    I don't know what else I have to offer for authentic attraction... Any ideas?
    Open > DHV > build rapport
    Follow these steps and look around the forums, start with the opener, there's so much material in these forums its crazy.

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    Default Re: How do you gain social status?

    Quote Originally Posted by restoshaman View Post
    Open > DHV > build rapport
    Follow these steps and look around the forums, start with the opener, there's so much material in these forums its crazy.
    No, I think I need to work on the DHV....

    I don't know what they would be other than money...

    Good in bed? I've been told I'm pretty good.

    What else could there be? I'm not the ugliest guy in the world, but I don't smile much.

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    Default Re: How do you gain social status?

    Quote Originally Posted by redstar1324 View Post
    No, I think I need to work on the DHV....

    I don't know what they would be other than money...

    Good in bed? I've been told I'm pretty good.

    What else could there be? I'm not the ugliest guy in the world, but I don't smile much.
    haha nawww man, it's the little things you do too man!
    When you're talking to a girl, are you "pecking"? You want to lean back and make HER talk to YOU. That's an example of DHV.


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