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    Default Survival and reproductive value for males...

    Female reproductive value is based on looks (to keep it simple)...

    Male survival value can be money, social connections, muscular strength, etc...

    What is male reproductive value? Or does such a thing exist?

    And while we're here... What is the most important part of male survival value and do you truly think that girls trade their sex for our survival value? (Gold diggers do, but does everyone? Plus, gold diggers don't respect who they're with)

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    Default Re: Survival and reproductive value for males...

    Sorry but I cant afford time-wise much analysis so I will briefly state my point of view here.

    Before civilisation, socities and the the subconscious mind / conscious mind seperation aka in a primitive situation, value survival and reproductive value would be mental and physical fitness. People were happy back then but they werent safe. That is because the didnt have any subconsciouss, all there true desires were coming straight out of them.
    Now, that societies and civilisation is causing us to have a subconscious mind, (survival and reproductive) value is calibrated in social terms. It doesnt matter how fit you are or how much money you have. All it matters is your confidence, your happiness etc levels.

    Thats how I see it.

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    Default Re: Survival and reproductive value for males...

    Quote Originally Posted by skatoylas View Post
    Sorry but I cant afford time-wise much analysis so I will briefly state my point of view here.

    Before civilisation, socities and the the subconscious mind / conscious mind seperation aka in a primitive situation, value survival and reproductive value would be mental and physical fitness. People were happy back then but they werent safe. That is because the didnt have any subconsciouss, all there true desires were coming straight out of them.
    Now, that societies and civilisation is causing us to have a subconscious mind, (survival and reproductive) value is calibrated in social terms. It doesnt matter how fit you are or how much money you have. All it matters is your confidence, your happiness etc levels.

    Thats how I see it.
    Really? Because I've known bums that were content with a can of beans and they weren't exactly swimming in pussy.

    Women are attracted to social status, which might include having some money.

    The richer you are, the easier it is to get women. This is a fact.

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    Default Re: Survival and reproductive value for males...

    Don't hold women to the same simplistic model of attraction that men hold women to.

    The truth is, women want the man with social status/resources to be the husband, and they want the tall handsome studs to supply quick sex. If you are just a wallet, she will probably cuckold you at least once in the relationship. So male reproductive value really depends on where you want women to categorize you on sight.

    Fun fact: 25% of people are sired by men who are not their father. When you tell that number to a man, he finds it way too high, and unbelievable. When you tell it to a woman, she shrugs and says, "That sounds about right..."

    I've noticed that the most important aspect is physicality. I've been out of shape before, and I'm currently muscular, so I've seen the shift in women. Trust me. You will get easy lays just showing up when your physique is right. I've taken off my coat and made dates flustered and turned on because they liked my arms and shoulders. So I'd say it's that.

    If you want to blow 97% of all guys out of the water, start a business, make about $15k+ a month from it (never tell a chick what you earn, though), lift heavy, and eat right. You'll be unstoppable.

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    Default Re: Survival and reproductive value for males...

    Quote Originally Posted by studmuffin View Post
    Don't hold women to the same simplistic model of attraction that men hold women to.

    The truth is, women want the man with social status/resources to be the husband, and they want the tall handsome studs to supply quick sex. If you are just a wallet, she will probably cuckold you at least once in the relationship. So male reproductive value really depends on where you want women to categorize you on sight.

    Fun fact: 25% of people are sired by men who are not their father. When you tell that number to a man, he finds it way too high, and unbelievable. When you tell it to a woman, she shrugs and says, "That sounds about right..."

    I've noticed that the most important aspect is physicality. I've been out of shape before, and I'm currently muscular, so I've seen the shift in women. Trust me. You will get easy lays just showing up when your physique is right. I've taken off my coat and made dates flustered and turned on because they liked my arms and shoulders. So I'd say it's that.

    If you want to blow 97% of all guys out of the water, start a business, make about $15k+ a month from it (never tell a chick what you earn, though), lift heavy, and eat right. You'll be unstoppable.
    I'm also a stud, though... I wouldn't give money to any girl unless she had a kid.... I'm not about paying for anyone's bills...

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    Default Re: Survival and reproductive value for males...

    redstar Is that what you took from that?

    I never said you give a chick money! You just have a better lifestyle than a lot of other men she's ever met.

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    Default Re: Survival and reproductive value for males...

    Quote Originally Posted by studmuffin View Post
    redstar Is that what you took from that?

    I never said you give a chick money! You just have a better lifestyle than a lot of other men she's ever met.
    Oh okay. I was just trying to clarify because a lot of other people on here mention "gold diggers" first thing when I start talking about money.

    I don't have a lot of money yet, though...

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    Default Re: Survival and reproductive value for males...

    Quote Originally Posted by studmuffin View Post
    (never tell a chick what you earn, though)
    Why not? Wouldn't it motivate them to suck your dick in hopes of getting some of it?

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    Default Re: Survival and reproductive value for males...

    Quote Originally Posted by redstar1324 View Post
    Why not? Wouldn't it motivate them to suck your dick in hopes of getting some of it?
    Nope. That's a rookie mistake. Ask any older guy, and he probably hides his wealth from his own WIFE!

    Chicks aren't stupid. If you're weak enough to wave your income in her face, she's gonna milk you for expensive food and adventure, and all you'll get is some sex, which should come dirt cheap.

    Worst case scenario, you're the richest guy she knows, and she learns how to push your buttons. You fall in love with her, but she s**ks other guys off in parking lots or worse and you're thinking about proposing. I'm literally witnessing this happen to a guy! (poor idiot)

    PLUS:

    It's none of her f***ing business.
    It makes you a tool, literally.
    It removes any and all mystery about the subject.
    You'll be expected to 'save her' every time she forget to save money.
    She'll try to move in.
    It's none of her f***ing business.
    She'll never offer to pay for anything ever again.
    She'll expect the expensive version of everything. Every trip, every event, every restaurant, etc. (because it's not her money!)
    It's none of her f***ing business.

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    Default Re: Survival and reproductive value for males...

    Quote Originally Posted by studmuffin View Post
    Nope. That's a rookie mistake. Ask any older guy, and he probably hides his wealth from his own WIFE!

    Chicks aren't stupid. If you're weak enough to wave your income in her face, she's gonna milk you for expensive food and adventure, and all you'll get is some sex, which should come dirt cheap.

    Worst case scenario, you're the richest guy she knows, and she learns how to push your buttons. You fall in love with her, but she s**ks other guys off in parking lots or worse and you're thinking about proposing. I'm literally witnessing this happen to a guy! (poor idiot)

    PLUS:

    It's none of her f***ing business.
    It makes you a tool, literally.
    It removes any and all mystery about the subject.
    You'll be expected to 'save her' every time she forget to save money.
    She'll try to move in.
    It's none of her f***ing business.
    She'll never offer to pay for anything ever again.
    She'll expect the expensive version of everything. Every trip, every event, every restaurant, etc. (because it's not her money!)
    It's none of her f***ing business.
    Tell me about those guys she's sucking off in parking lots.

    Who are they? Do they have money? Are they bums?


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