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    Great advice Tyrone1991. I have in fact started breaking down my strengths, and some weaknesses. I am smart, fun, upbeat, helpful, a very good communicator. I speak and use language very well. One of my weaknesses is to not pay attention enough to a womans emotions. I do hypnosis mp3's. Lists of stuff to remember and do, or don't do. I play it on my phone when I sleep sometimes, or when I am driving to skating to get things in my head. One that has worked great is, "Act. Act quickly. When you see a woman you want approach her." That one has really sunk in. When I get to the rink, bam, bam, bam. Any woman alone, I go up to, any couple looking unsure, I approach them both. One that has NOT worked, is, "I remember names well". I am STILL forgetting names easily, LOL.

    One visual trick I like is to imagine women like little 5 year old girls. They are eager for your attention, and happy to do what you ask. I am also cool to keep things on a social level for now. I am in some real bad financial straights that is going to last for a number of months. Couldn't even go on a date if I got one. Just getting by. So, another reason for not pushing. Just building experience and learning.

    What is the new thing with PUA? Being your genuine self. I get that and am going to do that. Because my genuine self is actually pretty good. I worked 11 years in tech phone support. i was a bad ass knowledge wise, and the best communicator among my peers, bar none. I can pull on that for confidence. And I am just starting to do that. IDGAS and Outcome Independence had already upped my confidence, as well as the success I have had so far. But I also have a good "genuine" level of personal confidence to draw from. Another line for my mp3 is "Now that you have done a lot of approaches, you know they are not hard. In fact they are fun and easy." I hope that will help me when I start to fizzle. That it will help me get the most out of the night. I almost always leave a few interesting women un-approached. I even neglect some mild IOI's near the end of the night. That sucks. I want to stop doing that. I will likely put some direct approached on the mp3 as well. I am doing too much indirect. Need to start doing more direct. Especially near the end of skating. After women have seen me all over with other women.

    So my approaches have been nice and pleasant, sometimes fun and flirty. Women often don't have quarters for lockers. I see them with bewildered looks and know exactly what is going on. My routine is to offer some quarters, but they have to do something for me. They have to say, Thank you Marty. I love you Marty. You are my hero Marty. And since they usually don't say it very well the first time, they have to say it again, and again. Then the rest of the girls have to say it until they get it right. That is fun. BUT, i have not really followed that up with anything. I just do that routine and that is the end of it, though I may interact with them some more down the line. Maybe I should change that up and instead tell them whenever I am near them and point to my ear, they have to say "Marty, you are my hero". That makes the game last all night. Hmm?

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    I don't think the genuine thing is new, a lot of people won't try techniques there not comfortable trying, therefore they start with techniques they are. So those techniques they and don't do are because of who they are which is why we have direct and indirect and a billion differing techniques because of the individuality of each person.

    Through this his experience of learning what's comfortable you get results and that gives you confidence to try more complex things and things you didn't know you were good at. I was Indirect mostly, but used direct techniques which worked as a push/pull system depending on how they were responding.

    Life goes ores on experimenting and experiencing new challenges until it just moulds into you and becomes natural. I may be using techniques but it's automatic, I'm not aware I'm just reacting to her behaviour.

    Genuine is good because you are yourself. You don't have to be fake or feel fake and robotic doing it. Which would effect your confidence.

    You should be able to after quite a few years and experiences walk away from PUA not feeling contrived, a better man, higher self worth, more attractive and better at getting what you want. While not having to even put an effort in because all you have done is reach your potential so no maintenance is required.

    Genuine is great because if I where to use a technique I am now valuing her because I have now made an effort outside of myself in order to get her. But if I'm just being my higher self which is just normal now then all I've done is be myself giving her no glorification that she hasn't earned yet.

    Genuine also means inner game is accomplished, it's one thing to identify your great qualities it's another to believe them that you don't have to list them you just know your great. You know your worth so you become more selective. She may be a 10, but if she opens her mouth and speaks about something dead like "Nicole acting like a slut the other day" or her character isn't great. Then I will loose all attraction. You know what you want and you won't settle for less. Don't get me wrong, I cross over that tipsy line and hit Drunk Tyrone, then my penis may decide who I sleep with.

    Every person has there technique which is personal to them, you look at them like 5 year old girls who need attention and a strong male. That works for you and I respect that. Hold onto that.

    Me personally would feel like a pedo file and put myself off but that's my individuality.

    My view is as long as you need to eat, drink, pee, poo, sleep, breathe and fuck you are no more or less human then me and therefore you are of no greater value then I. If you choose to think so because you have a vagina and $50 dress on and haven't done anything to prove it then there a 3.5 billion other women you have to compete with in order for me to even consider liking you. So what makes you special? I'm Amazing, I could potentially spend the rest of my life with you supporting financially, physically, mentally and emotionally. You better give me a reason why I should start to interact with you. Otherwise I have 3.5 billion to pick from.

    This is why all men should get off dating sites. You are litrally creating a minor Facebook account with effort, fustrating threads here, bios, photos, rejections. Just to talk to woman. Why? What makes them special when you are going to be sacrificing so much to keep them happy in the long run? And then the bloody thing empowers them because they control the tempo, the response time and the safety of seperation of confrontation hiding behind a device and leaves you disadvantaged. Why have women become that important that we have to go to extreme effort to get them and spend a whole life of selflessness sacrifice to keep them. Fuck that. I'm the prize.

    Hense why I hate texting/online chat.. It is there game, not ours. I barely reply to text. Probably only my mums and sister. If it's important call.

    why I love qualifiers, not because of the result of the technique but because I believe I am a high value person and I won't except less then I deserve. No settling.

    I like that you make them earn the quarter. That supports my belief completely. If every man refused to use texting and dating sites women would be forced to engage in face to face contact and men would be so successful. Instead of this value we give them for no reason at all. All respect should be earn't. Not given.

    The Quater thing: escalate it. Get them to do more now for the quarter. Make it a Kino thing. High five, then hug, kiss on cheek etc.

    As for names, be flirty, give them nicknames, doesn't mean shit to us but means so much to them and make it easier on your memory because you created it and it's joyful which is easier to retain.

    As for financial reasons holding you back because you can't afford a date...... Let me paint this picture. If a woman requires money to be spent on her beyond survival to find you attractive she is not worth dating. She is attracted to your pocket not you. I've found that woman like intimacy. Which is basically you walking together, you ask questions and get her to open up, and respond by repeating what she said in your own words to show you understand and we're listening. Other then That it is being playful, confident, flirty and Kino. If she is the one you marry, you are going to spend on her the rest of your life. Dating is meant to be getting to know each other and see if you should escalate. This fancy dinner Hollywood bull shit is inconsequential.

    Why hey would I take you out on a $150 dinner if you haven't proved to me that your worth it. As far as I'm concerned a prostitue cost $150 so after we f-close maybe. See this is the same mistake we always do, why would I value you to make that effort when I just met you. You put the same effort as me. If it's a good investment we will enjoy it together, if it's bad then we equally loose. Look at the "How to get your Ex back" section and look at how these women behave, why would you invest so much into that.

    just a coffee and a walk to a place that isolates her.
    Men, we need to value our time more then we value women. This isn't to say women are not valuable. But who are we to believe in something so illogical, as men we should realize that without our time(life), we would not even be able to pursue women, but only our mother who gave us life. Why do we think we should prioritize them over our time(life) unless she is the one who gives me/my children life. Man is Sovereignty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone1991 View Post
    This is why all men should get off dating sites. You are litrally creating a minor Facebook account with effort, fustrating threads here, bios, photos, rejections. Just to talk to woman. Why? What makes them special when you are going to be sacrificing so much to keep them happy in the long run? And then the bloody thing empowers them because they control the tempo, the response time and the safety of seperation of confrontation hiding behind a device and leaves you disadvantaged. Why have women become that important that we have to go to extreme effort to get them and spend a whole life of selflessness sacrifice to keep them. Fuck that. I'm the prize.

    So true. I VERY MUCH prefer in person. I love using Kino, and I do it well. Yeah, they control the online conversation. That is bull. A man can't lead that way.

    Hense why I hate texting/online chat.. It is there game, not ours. I barely reply to text. Probably only my mums and sister. If it's important call.

    why I love qualifiers, not because of the result of the technique but because I believe I am a high value person and I won't except less then I deserve. No settling.

    I like that you make them earn the quarter. That supports my belief completely. If every man refused to use texting and dating sites women would be forced to engage in face to face contact and men would be so successful. Instead of this value we give them for no reason at all. All respect should be earn't. Not given.

    The Quater thing: escalate it. Get them to do more now for the quarter. Make it a Kino thing. High five, then hug, kiss on cheek etc.

    A hug and kiss is good for the quarters. Visitors, as opposed to regulars, are locker crazy. Their world will end without a locker. My other thought is to make it last. Have them tell me, "We love you Marty. You're our hero" every time I see them and point to my ear. This keeps the playful contact up all night, instead of having it end the one time at the locker, and gives me a way to pester, and keep contact longer.

    As for names, be flirty, give them nicknames, doesn't mean shit to us but means so much to them and make it easier on your memory because you created it and it's joyful which is easier to retain.

    LOL. I just stumbled into something like that. I called Cindy, a regular at one rink, Linda. Have no idea why. Then later walking to our cars, I yell out to her, I think I will call you CinLin. She yells back, Marty, I am going to kick your butt. LOL This is that very reserved woman. It is not a big deal, but I do get a kick at getting her to be a bit playful, as she is usually so serious.

    As for financial reasons holding you back because you can't afford a date...... Let me paint this picture. If a woman requires money to be spent on her beyond survival to find you attractive she is not worth dating. She is attracted to your pocket not you. I've found that woman like intimacy. Which is basically you walking together, you ask questions and get her to open up, and respond by repeating what she said in your own words to show you understand and we're listening. Other then That it is being playful, confident, flirty and Kino. If she is the one you marry, you are going to spend on her the rest of your life. Dating is meant to be getting to know each other and see if you should escalate. This fancy dinner Hollywood bull shit is inconsequential.

    No, I mean REALLY tight. Like *I* don't stop out on the street for a burger, or sandwich. I shop carefully at the market, and make ALL my food at home. It is all I can do to buy gas and pay to enter the skating rink. Meet for coffee? Sheeee-it. Coffee shops are expensive. And I don't really drink the stuff.

    Why hey would I take you out on a $150 dinner if you haven't proved to me that your worth it. As far as I'm concerned a prostitue cost $150 so after we f-close maybe. See this is the same mistake we always do, why would I value you to make that effort when I just met you. You put the same effort as me. If it's a good investment we will enjoy it together, if it's bad then we equally loose. Look at the "How to get your Ex back" section and look at how these women behave, why would you invest so much into that.

    just a coffee and a walk to a place that isolates her.
    I am liking the notion of trying to get a woman to get back to the rink. Or like you say, just meeting for a walk or hike. I also like the notion of building up some female friends for networking and more female contacts. Work my "Nice Guy" angle to meet their other friends. No problem getting some female friends. I will have new fresh contacts at the rink anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone1991 View Post
    Every person has there technique which is personal to them, you look at them like 5 year old girls who need attention and a strong male. That works for you and I respect that. Hold onto that.

    Me personally would feel like a pedo file and put myself off but that's my individuality.
    After I separated from the wife, my daughter started kindergarten. Seeing her every other week was not enough, so I would go to her class now and then. Being around all of those fresh faced, open happy trusting little kids was magic. In fact, that is why I get a kick when I get that woman Cindy in a playful mood. Any woman actually. Bring out the little girl in them. That is why I use that imagery. It is just such an open, happy image to me. It is like the public speaking trick. When they tell you to imagine your audience naked. It relaxes you. Imagining some hot women are sweet innocent little girls does the same for me. No pedophile angle, LOL.


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