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    Default Social Value and female attraction

    Hi there guys, I recently read something about social value and how it can be created. I have read that helping people increases your social value. I am wondering if helping a woman without expecting something in return is also attractive to women.

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    Default Re: Social Value and female attraction

    Eh you see, you have a hidden motive. Asking about helping a woman without "expecting something" and seeing if it will cause an attraction spike isn't the best mindset to have.


    Anyway, yes having social value does make you seem more attractive. The only reason I am challenging your question is because I work in human services. I don't do it because it looks good to women seeing me help an elderly. I do it because I want to and I like to. I don't mean to lecture you but that's like you buying a dog because it attracts chicks. In my opinion, women will see through your little tricks and you won't be genuine

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    Default Re: Social Value and female attraction

    Ok. Thank you very much Maybe when women see that you have created social value with other people then maybe that is attractive also

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    I created value last night. My first approach, at skating, was an hb8 and hb9. High end WLA women. They were reluctant to take my help, but I told them they could use some safety tips and some pointers. After doing this, I let them go. Catch and release. I then spent some time helping another woman. We went right by the first two. Then a couple of short interactions with them, just dropping a tip. Again, not lingering or being a pest. I told them at the beginning of backward skating, advanced first, that I was coming for them for the beginning backward. I did just that. I pestered them heavily, in a good natured way. And while they remain reluctant to do it, they had no problem with me pestering them. I did get them to try backward near where we were located. Then was just chatted for two songs. Prettiest women in the place. No one else had approached them at all. And some guys like to. But these two were on and off the floor quickly and had fairly closed body language. But after the catches and releases, and establishing value helping other women, and chatting with female friends, I was able to be quite familiar with them fairly quickly. And at the end of the night, I happened to cut into a conversation a man was having with a woman, and that woman fairly jumped at the chance to keep me engaged in conversation, and introduced herself to me. I did not need to try for a number or anything, as I will see her next week. But my value created strong IOI from her.

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    Social Proof is a PUA's best friend if used right. I don't think what your describing will be categorized as social proof, That is more Indirect game and will require alot more to work. I have done this and been very successful with it in my Indirect Years.

    Social Proof will make you more attractive, But its used environmentally. Basically I will get on a dance floor, Take my space (alpha), Close my eyes (No engagement), Smile (having fun) and dance in circles (doesn't appear I'm facing or trying to dance on anyone) But i genuinely like dancing, i'm a good dancer and I dance Solo, Chicks are shit dancers, I don't want to move at your semi-retarded pace and motionless dance moves. So its genuine. Usually when I open my eyes a few minutes later I will have 3 up to 9 girls dancing around me in the circle I have created for personal space which is amplifying it. Which when and if I find someone I feel worthy of approaching It will help because according to every women in that room I'm attractive.

    Helping a Woman without showing intention can work (it also cant) because if you are giving her something for free you are giving her a higher value. So there is a fine line, you have to have alot of other things going for you in order to pull that off. It can be done, I confirm that, but its not Social proof, It is Defense destroying.
    Men, we need to value our time more then we value women. This isn't to say women are not valuable. But who are we to believe in something so illogical, as men we should realize that without our time(life), we would not even be able to pursue women, but only our mother who gave us life. Why do we think we should prioritize them over our time(life) unless she is the one who gives me/my children life. Man is Sovereignty.

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    Way to be Alpha with the dance Tyrone1991. I do something similar at the skate rink. I am pretty good, and I do my thing. That has gotten me some interest. My other goal on helping at the skate rink is that people will see it, and it leads to Pre Selection, which of course is great. It also gets me in good with groups too. I had helped a few ladies from a large group. No significant acceptance. One of the girls was the hottest in the room. She showed no IOI, but not IOD either. Kind of neutral. Anyway, I saw another girl from the group needed help. I approached her, and one of THE GUYS backed me up. Yeah, this guy is great.... let him show you. I helped her, and she did great. THEN I went to her when she was back in the middle of all of her peeps to tell her how good she did. Another girl asked for help going backward. And from that point, that cracked the group wide open for me. And after that, that hottest girl came up to me to talk thanking me for all of the help.

    Just another note on helping. I once helped a lady a little older than myself. 60 I think. Hot in her day, but, well, older now. Her friend, who I had not seen, was 40 and hot. And then 8 more females joined them. I got acceptance automatically from them all because I was in with the two. And it all started from helping a woman that wasn't a big attraction. You never where a little helpfulness can lead.

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    You are right. But you didn't offer the Help to her, You were recommended etc. That changes the Scenario a bit.

    But if you walk up to a girl who's heel is broken and give her your shoes, or buy her new ones. I guess its situation based, Sometimes its better to throw a Neg or add it in were you feel she may need help to neutralize it. You have to judge that because you do not want to come off as a "nice guy" to because you may be able to talk to them, but the second you escalate without attraction. GOODBYE!

    Scenario one:

    She needs a lighter.

    You give her the lighter....... ehhh.
    ohh thank you
    its okay, my name is Ty,
    Hi my name is Blah, (see its set up to fail)
    You start talking and she friendly because your a really nice guy.

    Scenario two:

    She needs a lighter.

    You give her the lighter.
    say: You know they cost $2 right? (Cheeky smile)
    Her: I know I lost mine.
    Say: What? your lighter or your Job? (cheeky smile)

    See where its going?
    Men, we need to value our time more then we value women. This isn't to say women are not valuable. But who are we to believe in something so illogical, as men we should realize that without our time(life), we would not even be able to pursue women, but only our mother who gave us life. Why do we think we should prioritize them over our time(life) unless she is the one who gives me/my children life. Man is Sovereignty.

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    Default Re: Social Value and female attraction

    My venues, several skate rinks have a few unique qualities. Everyone can pretty much see everything that is going on. After having a few girls come to me after I had been helping others, I like that trick. Plus, I actually do like helping. It is a great indirect approach. And while most say being nice is not the way to go, my thought is I can turn that around. Or, I won't be afraid of trying when I do decide to press things. But the real value is when I can get a girl to come to me. Another good thing, and I just ran into this last night. There were these 2 real young girls. Both very pretty. I had no indirect line. So I said, fuck, just say hi. I see you guys are new. You are doing pretty well. No big deal. It went OK. Then I saw them with their skates off leaving a bit early. I said, hey, leaving early. Don't you want to keep practicing. And the brunette, got really familiar and sassy, in a fun way, and told me, we are not done. We are going to come back and get good. You'll see.

    The thing that I THINK happened there was, I had established value, them seeing me with other women. Then I simply make a couple of nowhere comments on the skating floor. But then off the floor, she was very friendly. I must have created value..... I think. And I often fizzle near the end of the night and don't do any direct approaches. This is telling me to finish the night with some direct approaches. I might be missing out on some value if I don't. Plus the girl whose conversation I interrupted. She dumped the other guy and engaged ME in conversation. So, I think what I am doing is working, but I am not squeezing all of the contacts I can out of it. Gotta finish the night with direct approaches.

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    Value isn't based on anything but you. It's great that women are letting you in. But don't get in the habit of feeling valued by others. You are a great skater, people ask you for help and you are skilled enough to be able to provide a solution for them. Wether they see and recognise that has nothing to do with it. Value is when someone else is attempting to devalue you and your are so sure about yourself that you can laugh and even turn it into a joke still devaluing yourself verbally but because your so confident in yourself people see the value. Instead of someone devaluing you and you are either justifying or trying to prove them wrong or creating excuses which is AFC.

    There is no technique for value. You just need to value yourself and your potential and everyone else will admire you. It probably has a simple explanation as well. When you value yourself you are confident which changes your body language and probably releases pheromones. Which others subconsciously detect and react accordingly.

    I look at myself and my character and life and I think I'm amazing. You may not but I do. Not because of some technique but because I recognised everything I've achieved and survived and what I've become and I know I'm the best. The results speak for themselves.

    It's not hard to do. Just make a list of things that make you amazing no matter how insignificant it is. Keep adding to that list. Keep going through that list until you are sitting there nodding your head because you realised how freaking awesome you are. Then the endorphins real ease and you feel ever more, then you find other things and then you will feel like you deserve a queen, not just a tight dress and a self righteous attitude.

    Thats ts when you start to qualify women, not to seduce them but to simply see if they qualify because you know what you deserve.

    eventually it will become so consistent that it will be pretty much every day, no hesitation on approach, you will maximise result and minimise time to get them because your time is more valuable then her bull shit. You will be getting results everytime asking as that confidence is there and new things you will try you will get confident in because you know you can learn anything with enough motivation and dedication. Then you get to a point were woman start picking you up and you have done absolutely fuck all but have walked within 20 metres of them.

    So it's good, keep approaching, keep trying new things, recognise that you are a King and as you learn more you will realise what you can learn and see your potential and chase it. You will get closer and your potential will grow and you will be more confident everytime. Everything is an opportunity to learn and once learnt you are more confident and more opportunities appear. You will reach a point were everybody around you at the same age will make you feel years in advanced. When you open your mouth people's eyes light up in adornment because what is general knowledge to you or being so experienced and empathetic you can see thing most can't and they think your a genius but that's just everyday to you.

    anyway that's value to me. Inner game.

    If I'm genuinely attracted to some one physically. From the moment I see them to the moment I kiss them is about 1 minute to 1.5 minutes. My technique is I'm so confident that I'm just honest, and it works because I have such a high value of myself that I just take what I want and it's mine. I'm the one who is rejecting now. Friend zoning women. Women Qualifying themselves to me, marketing, and men, they give me so much respect, not even intimidation but actual respect and I'm just doing me, but this wasn't always the case. I had to work on my inner game. Self value and learn, try, experience, try something else, accept Criticism, drop pride and get out of that victim mentality of poor me.
    Men, we need to value our time more then we value women. This isn't to say women are not valuable. But who are we to believe in something so illogical, as men we should realize that without our time(life), we would not even be able to pursue women, but only our mother who gave us life. Why do we think we should prioritize them over our time(life) unless she is the one who gives me/my children life. Man is Sovereignty.

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    Value isn't based on anything but you. It's great that women are letting you in. But don't get in the habit of feeling valued by others. You are a great skater, people ask you for help and you are skilled enough to be able to provide a solution for them. Wether they see and recognise that has nothing to do with it. Value is when someone else is attempting to devalue you and your are so sure about yourself that you can laugh and even turn it into a joke still devaluing yourself verbally but because your so confident in yourself people see the value. Instead of someone devaluing you and you are either justifying or trying to prove them wrong or creating excuses which is AFC.

    There is no technique for value. You just need to value yourself and your potential and everyone else will admire you. It probably has a simple explanation as well. When you value yourself you are confident which changes your body language and probably releases pheromones. Which others subconsciously detect and react accordingly.

    I look at myself and my character and life and I think I'm amazing. You may not but I do. Not because of some technique but because I recognised everything I've achieved and survived and what I've become and I know I'm the best. The results speak for themselves.

    It's not hard to do. Just make a list of things that make you amazing no matter how insignificant it is. Keep adding to that list. Keep going through that list until you are sitting there nodding your head because you realised how freaking awesome you are. Then the endorphins real ease and you feel ever more, then you find other things and then you will feel like you deserve a queen, not just a tight dress and a self righteous attitude.

    Thats ts when you start to qualify women, not to seduce them but to simply see if they qualify because you know what you deserve.

    eventually it will become so consistent that it will be pretty much every day, no hesitation on approach, you will maximise result and minimise time to get them because your time is more valuable then her bull shit. You will be getting results everytime asking as that confidence is there and new things you will try you will get confident in because you know you can learn anything with enough motivation and dedication. Then you get to a point were woman start picking you up and you have done absolutely fuck all but have walked within 20 metres of them.

    So it's good, keep approaching, keep trying new things, recognise that you are a King and as you learn more you will realise what you can learn and see your potential and chase it. You will get closer and your potential will grow and you will be more confident everytime. Everything is an opportunity to learn and once learnt you are more confident and more opportunities appear. You will reach a point were everybody around you at the same age will make you feel years in advanced. When you open your mouth people's eyes light up in adornment because what is general knowledge to you or being so experienced and empathetic you can see thing most can't and they think your a genius but that's just everyday to you.

    anyway that's value to me. Inner game.

    If I'm genuinely attracted to some one physically. From the moment I see them to the moment I kiss them is about 1 minute to 1.5 minutes. My technique is I'm so confident that I'm just honest, and it works because I have such a high value of myself that I just take what I want and it's mine. I'm the one who is rejecting now. Friend zoning women. Women Qualifying themselves to me, marketing, and men, they give me so much respect, not even intimidation but actual respect and I'm just doing me, but this wasn't always the case. I had to work on my inner game. Self value and learn, try, experience, try something else, accept Criticism, drop pride and get out of that victim mentality of poor me.

    probably the Easiest way to say this is: The better you view yourself, the better you become. The better you become, the better you view yourself.
    Men, we need to value our time more then we value women. This isn't to say women are not valuable. But who are we to believe in something so illogical, as men we should realize that without our time(life), we would not even be able to pursue women, but only our mother who gave us life. Why do we think we should prioritize them over our time(life) unless she is the one who gives me/my children life. Man is Sovereignty.


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