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  1. #1
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    Default Do False IOIs Even Exist?

    Does such a thing exist? There's this HB8.5 whom I have been seducing, and she sent me many clear IOIs. However, I've asked her out on date more than twice. She never agreed. When I hang out with her and our friends I am unsuccessful on isolating her, and she starts talking to her best female friend and gay friend instead, ignoring me.

    Now comes the worst part of this whole history: she started to date my brother a week ago. He's 15. She's 21. I am almost 20. And one day, when they were together, she was still looking at me...why does that happen??

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    Default Re: False IOIs?

    When you're a beginner, our conception of what you mean by "seducing" is very vague (i.e., you don't know what you're doing).

    Just a hunch, maybe you misread the IOIs? To isolate, you have to have attraction. To build attraction, you need comfort and rapport.

    Are you not allowed to look at people? What makes the way she did it while with your brother so unique?
    Last edited by JonTylerDiPrince; 03-06-2011 at 12:58 PM.

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    Default Re: False IOIs?

    Quote Originally Posted by JonTylerDiPrince View Post
    When you're a beginner, our conception of what you mean by "seducing" is very vague (i.e., you don't know what you're doing).

    Just a hunch, maybe you misread the IOIs? To isolate, you have to have attraction. To build attraction, you need comfort and rapport.
    We have some comfort and rapport. It's important for the comfort to not grow too much, or you'll fall into the Friend Zone.

    Some friends of mine say I misread the IOIs. But I don't believe so. She more often than not used to sit by my side, she used to comply me a lot. I started dieting a month ago. Guess who was the first person to take notice of my weightloss?? She also plays with her hair a lot when I am close to her. I guess those IOIs are very clear.

    Are you not allowed to look at people? What makes the way she did it while with your brother so unique?
    Well, there were many males there. Like, 8 guys, and 2 girls. And she was looking me by the corner of her eye (dunno if I said it correctly; I am Brazilian and have bad English).

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    Default Re: False IOIs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alphanized View Post
    It's important for the comfort to not grow too much, or you'll fall into the Friend Zone.
    You can never have enough comfort. What is important is the amount of time you let comfort stand without building attraction. Not leveraging the comfort to build attraction is what gets you into the friend zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alphanized View Post
    She more often than not used to sit by my side, she used to comply me a lot. I started dieting a month ago. Guess who was the first person to take notice of my weightloss?? She also plays with her hair a lot when I am close to her.
    I think it's pretty clear you assumed comfort WAS deep attraction, and let it be the only connection between you without acting on it. Some of these things you say, girls just do. Friends sit by each other. Friends compliment each other. Girls notice appearance.

    Well, what can you do now? She's dating your brother. As far as she probably thinks, she has you to thank for connecting the two of you. If you want to make a big deal about it, beat the SH!T out of your little brother.

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    Default Re: False IOIs?

    Quote Originally Posted by JonTylerDiPrince View Post
    You can never have enough comfort. What is important is the amount of time you let comfort stand without building attraction. Not leveraging the comfort to build attraction is what gets you into the friend zone.



    I think it's pretty clear you assumed comfort WAS deep attraction, and let it be the only connection between you without acting on it. Some of these things you say, girls just do. Friends sit by each other. Friends compliment each other. Girls notice appearance.

    Well, what can you do now? She's dating your brother. As far as she probably thinks, she has you to thank for connecting the two of you. If you want to make a big deal about it, beat the SH!T out of your little brother.
    A few minutes after I typed that post, this HB phoned me asking me to go with her to a show. She has many and many friends, and I for sure am not the best of them, yet she phoned me, and only me to go with her to this show. My brother? She didn't even mention him, nor phoned him. After the show, we walked to a bar. There, we met 2 friends of mine. At the bar, she was sending many IOIs (laughing and agreeing at every stupid thing I'd say was the main one in my opinion; she didn't laugh at my friends). However, when I started the kino and tried to kiss her, she turned me down. A few minutes later, a 3-set, all of them friends of mine, came, and then sited on our table. One of them, a HB7, sited by my side. It didn't take 1 minute for me, to kiss her. After this, it was more than clear that the HB8.5 I have a crush on was clearly jealous.

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    Default Re: False IOIs?

    Is she REALLY dating your brother or not? Describe the progression of kino with your HB8.5. What Kind of kiss was the one with the HB7? Cheek pecks? Sounds like your jumping all over the map too (trying things that are completely ill-timed).

    Honestly, if there were as many mixed signals in your interaction with HB8.5 as there are in your description of events, I'd think you'd be fine. LOL. But I just can't tell what is going on with you; there's too many gaps here.


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