Problem sorted, confidence issue is put to back off mind when u relise girls are usually just as nervous as u and WANT to be opened up. Easier said than done, u have to wait for that moment when u are sick of being shy, and hate it for slowing you down. Just had my first number close! goin back out to sarge, practise is the key. Thanks virgjans12, deangelos helped, he comments that sargings should be fun, so if ur not finding it fun, whats the point?