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    Hey guys, I've been an on/off lurker on this forum for the last year or so, picking up some tips and hints. It's all good stuff. However, I haven't had the need to post until now. I hope you can help.

    basically, I've met this incredible girl on a course I'm doing. She's a model, pretty much a 10, but more than that, she's one of the nicest people I've ever met.

    I've known her for about a week, and spent a good 20 hours in her company. We get on really well and have loads in common. The signs seem mixed; she's always laughing at my dumb jokes, touching me on the arm, bit flirty sometimes, makes a good deal of eye contact. However, she hasn't been too quick to reply to my texts (unless we're in class), she isn't always trying to, say, sit next to me in the course, and she'll randomly leave when we're in a pub (with a big group of people) without really saying goodbye. Today, she was flirting quite obviously with this creepy little foreign guy, and that's what's getting me worried, and prompted me to post here.

    I'm a little worried that she perhaps is seeing me as just a "friend".

    What would you guys suggest I do? Should I suggest a weekend or after-course meeting, just the two of us? Or try to fish for more IoIs to be sure of how she perceives me? How should I go about doing that?

    She's the most incredible girl I've ever met, and I really see her as potential long term relationship material, so you could be making me an extremely happy man.

    Many thanks in advance.

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    Default Re: opinions on what to do next.

    in my opinion you should ask her out, go on a cute date with her, work your 1 on 1 game and hopefully she shes into it. if she rejects you than move on. in any case it really sounds like your putting her on a pedestal, so go out and meet new girls to talk to, that way you dont over think about her and you wont become to obsessive.

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    Default Re: opinions on what to do next.

    Alright, I've come back with some more thoughts, info, developments and questions. Apologies for the length of the post, but it should hopefully all be useful.

    It went pretty well in the few days after my original post... I took your advice dchen, and asked her out for a drink after class, and she came. Problem is, as I was buying her a drink, another girl from our class walks in... she comes and sits with us, which kind of ruined things.

    Also, throughout the week she had been pretty good at texting me back (which was a change); we text a lot in class, and she probably started half the text conversations, so that's pretty good. There was also this freaky bit late at night when I wondered if she was going to text me, and one from her comes through 30 seconds later...

    This weekend was a problem though.

    On Friday, she suggested I go clubbing with her on Saturday, so, on Saturday morning, I texted asking if something was going to happen in the evening. No reply for over 6 hours, and my mates were heading out later on, so I decided to ring her phone to check if she was planning something before I go with my mates. Phone rang out, no answer. That was last night, and still no text reply. I kind of get the impression that I'm getting gamed myself here... how should I handle this on Monday when I see her in class?

    I've made a more comprehensive list of IoIs and IoDs as well. I don't know if this is at all useful to you guys, and you probably don't care, but here they are anyway:

    IoIs:
    -smiles a lot when in my company.
    -laughs at my jokes. all of them.
    -one joke in particular was a slightly odd (but funny) one about STDs (through a text). She replied with "lol", and said I was weird. I called her weird back in a jokey way, and she says "It's ok, I like weird "
    -she'll send me random texts out of goodwill. Like, when we were having a drink (with my classmate..) this guy walks up and comes onto her. She was about to leave anyway, but she gets up, starts walking off - "where are you going", he says, she says she's a lesbian and storms off; but immediately sends me a text saying "sorry I left so quickly. really didn't like that guy xx"
    -she touches my arm when we're having a conversation. A lot.
    -as above, she invited me clubbing.
    -she said to me that she referred to me as "funny" in a conversation with her friend.
    -gave me two kisses (on the cheeks) when saying goodbye a few days ago, completely out of the blue and unprompted.
    -she cares about her appearance in front of me; she got me to sit on her right hand side because she prefers the right side of her face (she told me that's what she was doing)

    IoDs:
    -sometimes takes a while to reply to texts (always replies instantly in class. takes at least an hour to reply out of class).
    -sometimes makes weird excuses to go straight home after class finishes - I'm tired, I'm unwell - though to be fair, she went out clubbing and to parties every night last week with her girlyfriends.
    -she's avoiding me this weekend.
    -she doesn't usually come over to try to sit next to me in class.


    Am I on the right track here? I'm tearing my hair out. I have never gamed a girl this hot before and I sort of feel like I'm a bit out of my depth. I've decided to go in tomorrow, pull her to one side, and say that I think we get on really well (which we do), we have loads in common (which we do), so I kind of like her, and ask her if she feels the same way. Would that method just bomb badly? Are the signs good enough to take the plunge like that? Or should I just go ahead with the current plan of trying to take her out again on another 1 on 1 date (so I can run some 1 on 1 game at long last...)?

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    Default Re: opinions on what to do next.

    She needs a strong man and you're being a p*ssy.

    How old are you and her?

    Not very many really nice tens don't have a plethora of well-qualified options when it comes to men. While some on here would have you think that no ten gets hit on, ever, that is simply not true. In fact, the few that hit on them and make a sought after impression are the men with the best game or a natural connection with that particular woman.

    How have you been a p*ssy and what should you have done and what should you do to fix it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Garrick View Post
    Hey guys, I've been an on/off lurker on this forum for the last year or so, picking up some tips and hints. It's all good stuff. However, I haven't had the need to post until now. I hope you can help.

    basically, I've met this incredible girl on a course I'm doing. She's a model, pretty much a 10, but more than that, she's one of the nicest people I've ever met.

    I've known her for about a week, and spent a good 20 hours in her company(1). We get on really well and have loads in common. The signs seem mixed; she's always laughing at my dumb jokes, touching me on the arm, bit flirty sometimes, makes a good deal of eye contact. However, she hasn't been too quick to reply to my texts (unless we're in class), she isn't always trying to, say, sit next to me in the course, and she'll randomly leave when we're in a pub (with a big group of people) without really saying goodbye. Today, she was flirting quite obviously with this creepy little foreign guy, and that's what's getting me worried, and prompted me to post here. (2)

    I'm a little worried that she perhaps is seeing me as just a "friend".

    What would you guys suggest I do? Should I suggest a weekend or after-course meeting, just the two of us? Or try to fish for more IoIs to be sure of how she perceives me? How should I go about doing that?

    She's the most incredible girl I've ever met, and I really see her as potential long term relationship material, so you could be making me an extremely happy man. (3)

    Many thanks in advance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Garrick View Post
    Alright, I've come back with some more thoughts, info, developments and questions. Apologies for the length of the post, but it should hopefully all be useful.

    It went pretty well in the few days after my original post... I took your advice dchen, and asked her out for a drink after class, and she came. Problem is, as I was buying her a drink, another girl from our class walks in... she comes and sits with us, which kind of ruined things. (4)

    Also, throughout the week she had been pretty good at texting me back (which was a change); we text a lot in class, and she probably started half the text conversations, so that's pretty good. There was also this freaky bit late at night when I wondered if she was going to text me, and one from her comes through 30 seconds later...(5)

    This weekend was a problem though.

    On Friday, she suggested I go clubbing with her on Saturday(6), so, on Saturday morning, I texted asking if something was going to happen in the evening. No reply for over 6 hours, and my mates were heading out later on, so I decided to ring her phone to check if she was planning something before I go with my mates. Phone rang out, no answer. That was last night, and still no text reply. I kind of get the impression that I'm getting gamed myself here... how should I handle this on Monday when I see her in class? (7)

    I've made a more comprehensive list of IoIs and IoDs as well. I don't know if this is at all useful to you guys, and you probably don't care, but here they are anyway:(8)

    IoIs:
    -smiles a lot when in my company.
    -laughs at my jokes. all of them.
    -one joke in particular was a slightly odd (but funny) one about STDs (through a text). She replied with "lol", and said I was weird. I called her weird back in a jokey way, and she says "It's ok, I like weird "
    -she'll send me random texts out of goodwill. Like, when we were having a drink (with my classmate..) this guy walks up and comes onto her. She was about to leave anyway, but she gets up, starts walking off - "where are you going", he says, she says she's a lesbian and storms off; but immediately sends me a text saying "sorry I left so quickly. really didn't like that guy xx"
    -she touches my arm when we're having a conversation. A lot.
    -as above, she invited me clubbing.
    -she said to me that she referred to me as "funny" in a conversation with her friend.
    -gave me two kisses (on the cheeks) when saying goodbye a few days ago, completely out of the blue and unprompted.
    -she cares about her appearance in front of me; she got me to sit on her right hand side because she prefers the right side of her face (she told me that's what she was doing)

    IoDs:
    -sometimes takes a while to reply to texts (always replies instantly in class. takes at least an hour to reply out of class).
    -sometimes makes weird excuses to go straight home after class finishes - I'm tired, I'm unwell - though to be fair, she went out clubbing and to parties every night last week with her girlyfriends.
    -she's avoiding me this weekend.
    -she doesn't usually come over to try to sit next to me in class.


    Am I on the right track here? I'm tearing my hair out. I have never gamed a girl this hot before and I sort of feel like I'm a bit out of my depth. I've decided to go in tomorrow, pull her to one side, and say that I think we get on really well (which we do), we have loads in common (which we do), so I kind of like her, and ask her if she feels the same way. Would that method just bomb badly?(9) Are the signs good enough to take the plunge like that? Or should I just go ahead with the current plan of trying to take her out again on another 1 on 1 date (so I can run some 1 on 1 game at long last...)?(10)
    1. Twenty hours in a week, that isn't significant in any way. You can spend one rocking hour with a woman she'll never forget or a hundred hours where she just gave you more chances than you deserved or she was just bored, looking for someone to kill time with. There are 168 hours in a week, you spent less than 12% of the week with her. If it was twenty hours in a day, that may mean something.

    2. All of these things you didn't like, you probably let her get away with. You should have called her on her sh1t and made it clear you were a commodotiy worth fighting for, that must be fought for. You are just reaffirming your position as her bitch.

    3. You've built her up to an unreasonalbe level. You better show her you can handle being her man. Thus far, you've let her run all over you and it has gone without anything being done except you getting mad and finally deciding to post on here. The most attractive women require a strong man to be their man.

    4. So, two women watched you sit unhappily during your "date" and you did, I presume, nothing about it. You should have told the third wheel you were on a date and wanted some time with ten. If not that, you could have started hitting on the other woman, creating some tension and maaking them compete for your attention. The only thing that could hurt you more was to just sit there and let your date get ruined.

    5. Did she just happen to text you back or was it because you said/did something to make her realize she was losing you and better get to trying harder?

    6. Next time a ten suggests you go to a club together, make and actual date to pick her up and take her. However, a club is a horrible place ot take a ten when you're unable to keep her attention.

    With this ten, you should have just said, "okay, we'll see." She knows you are just sitting around wating for your call and it makes you look like a whipped little dog wanting a bone. At first, the dog is cute, but it doens't take long to look down on the dog.

    7. Two options: 1. Pretend like her blowing you off didn't ruin your weekend and act like you had a great time without her. Show her, don't tell her, you have a great life without her.

    Option 2. Call her out and tell her she sucks for inviting you out and bailing. It will be hard to do this without sounding like a whining bitch, but it can be done. Make a spectacle of it. If you pull it off, it will boost your social status. Most likely, you will look like a whining bitch; especially, if it doens't go the way you planned in you head (like she tells everyone how many times you called and texted her).

    8. No, I don't care. Why? Because she knows how to treat men. You are the weak one in this relationship.

    9. Bomb? Yes, it will bomb. It will make things awkward and she will think much less of you for it. Friend's zone until she doens't have to see you on a regular basis.

    10. Also a crap plan, at this point. Get your game together with some less attrative women. You're already hurt by this one and with some short term successes, will only manage to get yourself in deeper and hurt more.




    So, what should you do?

    Be seen having a good time with other women. Really hot women do not like losing attention to any woman, especially, one they see as less attractive than them.

    Keep this one close enough to reengage, but far enough away to have appreciated the time you two had shared together. The foundation has already been laid; albiet, not a good one. It's too late to change that.

    You can change her memory of you. If she starts hearing other women talking about how awesome you are, she will think of you that way and will want you back.

    Having a hot woman as a girlfriend, or even a date, takes a strong amn who is confident and capable. You may get there some day, but you aren't there, now.

    I'll explain more after you reply.
    I have failed more than most men have tried.

    Every woman you pass up is a woman you will never have.


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