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    Default HOW TO FIX MY GAME?!!!!!!

    Hi, I'm African-American male all the way from close to the North Pole.

    I'm pretty much the definition of alpha is every aspect of my lifestyle(except obviously my game). I'm good when it comes to school stuff, people tell me I'm a natural leader( whether its leading a noble cause or a silly prank), athletic and muscular, very social(always the life of the party), and pretty much the kind of guy most other males look up too. But when it comes to game I completely suck.

    Don't get me wrong my persona get's me the seldom hookups but I never attract the girls I actually want/like.

    I've read enough books but still at a stalemate.

    I really could use some mentoring and tutoring fixing this aspect of my life, this is why I'm turning to the masters of the online world to advise me and help fix my game.


    I'm welcome to advice and probably few startup lines and routines that would help me construct my game

    -D.J

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    Default Re: HOW TO FIX MY GAME?!!!!!!

    You need to take a good look at what area of you game you say you suck, first and foremost.

    Just saying that you "completely suck" is just not helpful enough for us to give you the advice you need.

    Is it approaching that you suck at? Conversation? Teasing?

    One thing is for sure. You need to practice your game at all costs. Go and talk with as many women as possible. And by talk I mean "just talk", to get your game rolling good, don't pick them up.

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    Default Re: HOW TO FIX MY GAME?!!!!!!

    It sounds like you have a solid foundation to build on. From what you're saying, you have the resources to draw from to continue developing good inner game. And, you're scoring various hook ups--which should help increase your confidence and develop your inner game even better.

    Analyze the specific aspects of your game that are lacking--not completely sucking. As Sitfab suggests, be specific. Then apply your stronger attributes to those weaker areas and bring them up. But if you're an Alpha and already scoring--you're well on your way. The rest is polishing and adopting the right point of view. How you think about things (and yourself) is critical to your overall game.

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    Default Re: HOW TO FIX MY GAME?!!!!!!

    I think the problem for my game is really talking and approaching in a way that a normal conversation somehow demonstrates my interest in the woman, and consequently gets her to reciprocate the interest. Basically I'm good at teasing, negging,and other aspects of the game once attraction is built. But mostly to be honest this attraction is mostly initiated by the female.

    For example this summer I'm taking a Economics course in university and the class is quite large, about 200 students. On the first day of lectures in May, the prof needed a student to lead the ice-breaking class activity and I volunteered and I made it interesting using funny examples and jokes that got each of my classmates involved.

    During the next six weeks we had to do population-analysis tutorials and I had the largest group weekly(about 50 students). My group members rated me as the best leader and stated in the report that I was funny, effective, great at delegating and motivating people. This automatically bumped me up the social chart in the class and everyone wanted(and wants) to work with me. Lots of my classmates whom I don't even know their names see me around campus and acknowledge me and some of the average looking girls in the class come up and talk to me.

    But just as you have the top guys in the class, you also have the queens. Three of these girls we didn't start talking until last week. One of them we broke the ice while myself and her guy friend were making fun of a gaffe the prof made in the lecture, the other girl we met because there was a convo about the prof at some event we were attending, and the last one we just sorta started a convo while walking out of our Excel test prep.

    Now that we've initiated conversations about the class and just general school topics, the problem then is continuing future conversations in ways that lead towards attraction. If this girls show interest I'd know what to do but if they don't we just end up in the friend zone. And this reflects what I think is a personal diagnostic of my game, getting a normal conversation into the stage where attraction is initiated when dealing with really attractive women.

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    Default Re: HOW TO FIX MY GAME?!!!!!!

    How do you think these chicks perceive you? What kind of impression do they have of you? What kind of posture do you assume in general? Do you appear dangerous, athletic, fashionable, a party animal, etc.....What are you projecting about yourself to the outside world and how are people receiving it?

    The idea is to move conversation away from routine things like your classes to more personal topics--like yourself and them. To do that effectively, you need to have some kind of idea or thought as to what people think you're about. If these chicks are in your class, they see you a few times a week. They see you interacting with other people too. What do you think they see? This is still part of the diagnostic, and knowing where you stand in people's eyes can / will help overall.

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    Default Re: HOW TO FIX MY GAME?!!!!!!

    Its really hard to pinpoint a specific impression that women have about me. I'm athletic and involved in sports so most of the girls whom I run into at the gym or on the field might perceive me in that respect, while the girls that see me logging a great deal of hours at the library might think I'm a nerd. And when it comes to partying I always the guy everyone is glad to see because I'm energetic so the party never dies and I love drinking even if its a keggstand hours before a final.

    I know it might sound absurd to have different personas with one guy, but understand that this is a blessing and a curse because anytime I try to use one of these personas the others pop-up. If I'm at a bar talking to a girl about sports I can subconsciously introduce economic concepts into the discussion.

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    Default Re: HOW TO FIX MY GAME?!!!!!!

    There is nothing wrong with having different personas / interests, being multi-faceted, or being intelligent enough to discuss a broad range of topics. These are all excellent attributes. And they will serve you well beyond just picking up chicks. If anything, these attributes should form a base for your inner game, and you should draw confidence from being so well rounded.

    As it pertains to the hot chicks in your immediate surroundings, use your knowledge and skills to bring them into areas of your world where you can shine. Are you a gym rat--fit, strong and competent in the weight room? Get into a conversation w/ one of these chicks about fitness and offer your personal training services. As an opener, simply ask her what she does to stay in such great shape and maintain such a killer body.

    Another idea: get involved in a charity fitness event like a 5k for Special Olympics (for example) and invite one or some of these chicks to join you and support the cause. It will put you in a good light as having a big heart and caring about something bigger than yourself, while allowing you to showcase some of your physical strengths. It also gives you the opportunity to isolate and talk with a chick during the event, impress her with your conversational skills and turn it into an extended day by inviting her out for a drink / shake or meal after.

    This is just one suggestion of how you can position some of your strengths. You can also do the same with your book smarts or party skills--especially if you have already established in front of these chicks that you have the ability to back up the offer.

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    Default Re: HOW TO FIX MY GAME?!!!!!!

    I'd wager there is a lack of Kino going on, I'll admit guys who are in good shape, have an easier time with women as they are more forgiving, to apoint. It doesn't mean we can act like AFC's and it'll be fine.

    What I found that helped me a lot, was Kino, Kino, in the first few seconds of meeting, and continued. you must always be touching, until it gets to where they feel that things are not right unless your touching.

    You can almost be an AFC as long as you have an alpha look and incorp Kino the right way, and still get quite a bit of play.

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    Default Re: HOW TO FIX MY GAME?!!!!!!

    I agree that fitness and physique overcome a few obstacles. And also that it is never an excuse or reason to sit back and be an AFC. As for the Kino, if you didn't come out of the gate with it, you need to work your way back toward it so it doesn't seem completely out of context.

    I suggest finding activities / opportunities where he can isolate an HB while simultaneously demonstrating his high value and his status as an alpha. That encounter would open the door to kino.

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    Default Re: HOW TO FIX MY GAME?!!!!!!

    Alright guys I'm glad I asked this question since I'm getting insights into areas I didn't examine in my game before.

    My to-do list for the coming week is simple:
    -Strike up a conversation that would lead to isolation with the three HB I just met in my classes.

    -Isolate them to the places that define my personas.
    -----Take one to the gym,
    -----One to the library 'cause we have to classes together and those two classes have finals on the same day in about three weeks so studying early is a no-brainer,
    -----And the last I'll isolate her to one of my regular Thursday afternoon drinking adventures.

    I'm going to try to get kino into each isolation.
    -For the gym I'll be acting as her trainer so getting in the kino would be easy.
    -For the study session the only kino I can think of right now is highfives and for pub I don't have an idea yet. So I'll appreciate some kino tactics for library and pub.

    Also I'll like to know if there are any other conversational themes that I should incorporate apart from asking questions that connect her emotions to a topic and using her answers to lead on a conversation.


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