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    Default Re: Too loud to hear

    Right I have a bunch of stuff to say, and you're probably not going to like it, but here goes. First of all, I would really suggest reading over your messages when you write them and making sure they are written properly both gramattacially and spelling wise, because that would make your messages both easier to read, and give you a better character.

    Now you say body language IoIs are pointless...They are absolutely not...What attracts you to a woman? Have you ever read any body language books at all? Body language is a portrayal of your personality. Every single woman in the world looks at it, even the ones who live in isolated islands in the middle of no where. How a man holds himself, shows his respect for himself, and his confidence, two very important features to a woman. You keep saying you don't accept these things, but these are the basis of the PUA community; psychology and anthropolgy. This isn't just a group of guys giving advice on how to pull, its a scientific and proven method of human interaction. So before you say things such as Fashion/hairstyle/walk are "superficial" read a few books on the subject and understand that they are not superficial at all. Furthermore, what attracts you to a woman? What's the first thing you look at? Physical features right? Have you ever seen a HB10 that slouches, or has bad hair? of course not. Also, do you think a woman would ever speak to you if you lacked those 'superficial' features completely? They most certainly would not. Natural good looks mean very little, but your self image and fashion sense mean a LOT.

    To me, it sounds like you just have major AA and are bringing an excuse by saying the club is loud. The game is not a verbal technique alone. if anything Verbal game is the least significant. Its all about the body language, the fashion sense, the non verbal queues, the analysis and calibration that takes place and reading a woman.

    I'd also like to point out that if you use routines of any kind, you're being 'superficial' to begin with, and if you're not, then you simply won't benefiet from the community. What I'm trying to say is, and I know I'm being harsh about it, you can't pick and choose what parts of the game you want to follow, its a systematic technique, which has steps and pillars. You can't build a building, without putting a building block to begin with.

    Finaly, if you simply need help with speaking in loud clubs, my advice to you is to either not go to loud clubs (pretty obvious choice) or seek vocal advice from an expert on the matter, although to some extent, when you can't hear yourself speak, there isn't much projection or positioning can do for you.

    Sorry if I seemed harsh, but this community is built on the foundation that people need to be very critical and expansive, because we aren't friends, we're partners in crime, and we need to be absolutely honest to each other.

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    Default Re: Too loud to hear

    ok thats all very interesting but
    and for the alst time
    IM NOT HAVING TROUBLE WITHT HAT!
    i knwo perfectly well whats important and what isnt. and im not
    NOT
    saying that it isnt important int he game in general
    but thats
    GENERAL
    im ASKING for help with SPEAKING when you cant be heard

    nothing else
    tips on how SPEAKING when you CANT be HEARD
    and
    tips on HEARING when you CANT be HEARD

    im not asking about anyhting else, though im sure its very helpful its not what im looking for, its not what im having trouble with,

    METEPOHR TIME

    im asking about say
    the number 6
    i want to know about the number 6
    your telling about the imporatnce of number 5 and how it leads to number 6, other people are telling me about number 7 and 8 and how they are imporant becasue of number 6
    some people tell me aobut 3 9 and 12 becasue of how similer they are to 6
    but what i want to know about is number 6, not why 6 is a number, not anything else but 6

    in otherwords.
    i dont want to know why my friend says he cant hear people, i knwo its AA
    i dont want to know why i cant hear in aloud club, i know its becasue its loud
    i dont want to know the importance of KANT in modern phillosophy and body language, it isnt imortant in this question however important it is in other walks of life.

    i would like to know. HOW to avoid being drowned out by loud music and how to stop myself being drowned out by loud music.

    my god in heaven!


    though i respect you trying to help, but your talking to me as though i know nothing, which i may not know everything and i dont pretend to ! but i hav read alot so please dont talk down to me disgregarding what people say. im simply trying to get an answer to my qu estion that has got more and more lost as more and more people post things not to do what i have been trying to say.
    Last edited by Bradders; 08-30-2011 at 12:03 PM.
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    Default Re: Too loud to hear in a club

    You cannot use your tactics in a loud club the same way you use them in quieter environments. The blunt way to answer your question "How do I avoid being drowned out by loud music and how do I stop myself being drowned out by loud music?" is:

    There is no way. (Unless you have a megaphone or grab a stage mic.)

    If the music is so loud that nobody can hear me speak as loud as I can without my voice becoming hoarse after 10 minutes then I wont even be able to hear myself think.

    A club with that kind of volume is not a place I would consider to go to meet people by talking to them; rather, I would consider it a place to meet people by directly interacting with them - dancing, acting out a story with no words, etc. If someone cannot dance or does not want to, I would advise not to step foot in that club.

    You have a clear cut answer, so now you've got to devise what could be called "Loud Club Tactics".
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    Default Re: Too loud to hear in a club

    Quote Originally Posted by spool View Post
    You cannot use your tactics in a loud club the same way you use them in quieter environments. The blunt way to answer your question "How do I avoid being drowned out by loud music and how do I stop myself being drowned out by loud music?" is:

    There is no way. (Unless you have a megaphone or grab a stage mic.)

    If the music is so loud that nobody can hear me speak as loud as I can without my voice becoming hoarse after 10 minutes then I wont even be able to hear myself think.

    A club with that kind of volume is not a place I would consider to go to meet people by talking to them; rather, I would consider it a place to meet people by directly interacting with them - dancing, acting out a story with no words, etc. If someone cannot dance or does not want to, I would advise not to step foot in that club.

    You have a clear cut answer, so now you've got to devise what could be called "Loud Club Tactics".
    thank you spool! rep for you just for being the fisrt person to at least answer! lol i toyed with the idea of placement of myself! like maybe if i was in the direction of the dancefloor, or away from it..hmm

    oh ona side note, my city is small the only really sarge'able areas are clubs. no bars im afraid. or rather anywhere with people in is loud.

    just got an idea for an opener, "how do you talk to people ina loud club"
    hmm
    will post results!
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    Default Re: Too loud to hear in a club

    You misunderstand my meaning mate..I was trying to explain to you why your question wouldn't necessarily give you the results you want, but you seem to just want to speak in loud clubs so I would say the best thing short of screaming would be to try and go to the smoking area every now and then and try your luck, not very game-y I realize though.

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    Default Re: Too loud to hear in a club

    well there are alot of aspects to the game, but to perfect it, you cant ignore any aspect however small! so i need to think about the talking aspect and how toget I OI's through them asi dont WANT to rely on how i walk, and TONE is very important for humour and NLP so its im portant to bea ble to get it across where ever i am, i was hoping people would indeed have tips how they cope with loud clubs and TALKING to girls there.
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    Default Re: Too loud to hear in a club

    i think it could be a pretty cool opener to check what people think on the amtter in clubs, maybe could work very well for kino/complience tests if you move people around the group

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    Default Re: Too loud to hear in a club

    Hey Bradders, I hear what you saying.. and if its about spekaing where you can be heard then there really is only one thing to do.. Take her somewhere quiet!! If that is not an option then its all about the body langauge. the body language superseeds ALL chat, you need to be in controll of this as a basic rule, even if is a quiet place.. this is my fortay! my caht stinks but.. im a fuckin ninja in a club!

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    Default Re: Too loud to hear

    all clubs will be loud, ASSERT yourself, the need to speak loudly reinforces the need to speak loudly and clearly. also it serves as a guise for you to say something to the target when you dont want anyone else to know.

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    Default Re: Too loud to hear in a club

    so your tip is speak louder? hehe thanks anyway i guess tahts the only real way around it anyway, was hoping for more but nevermind
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