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    Default how to deal with an AMOG who has turned vindictive

    Hi Guys, I'm brand new to this forum and could use the advice of an experienced PUA.
    Here's the story.... this guy had been my best mate for a couple of years, he had fallen out of a relationship and had literally NO friends except for me. All his attempts to meet and date women had failed and as a result he was depressed. I invited this guy out to meet a cool group of girls I'd just met so he'd have the opportunity to meet some women.

    The first time I invited my 'friend' out he acted really embarrassing and started making inappropriate sexual comments to the women and insulting them, he also started putting me down. I made up my mind I wouldn't tell him about the next social gathering but unbeknown to me he befriended one of the girls, so the next time I turned up to a party with these girls he is there and that's when he launched his AMOG attack. He made up untrue, gross things about me that made the women turn up their faces and say 'Ewwwww' while he just sat there laughing. When I tried to make any kind of comeback he kept speaking loudly over the top of me, this continued all night. Needless to say, I had a sh1t time.

    A few days later he'd emailed me about something and I wrote back to him saying that if he ever wanted to hang out with me as a friend again that kind of behaviour would have to stop immediately. My email was polite but firm. As a result of my email this guy turned totally vindictive and blocked me from Facebook, he must have contacted some of our mutual acquaintances (not part of the group of girls) because they blocked me as well. I have no idea what he must have told them.

    I'm quite relieved to have this complete psycho out of my life but I'm concerned that he might resurface in the group of new girls that I have met. I've since been hanging out with some of these girls and they are really cool but it's a big group and I hear he's been hanging out with some of the other girls, he even offered to marry one of them so they could get a green card. He's also promised to get some of these women jobs as actresses as he works in the film industry. My concern is that he will use the same dirty tactics to turn the other girls against me or that we will cross paths in this group again and he will launch a more vindictive attack.

    What should I do? It's been stressing me out and I really don't want to loss the cool bunch of girls I've met as it has been opening doors to meeting lots and lots of women. Some advice please guys?

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    Default Re: how to deal with an AMOG who has turned vindictive

    This is really tough, and really duechy when a friend starts doing this stuff
    This is gonna be pretty general advice but it's the best I got right now

    It's time to start laying out some defenses. You could ask the girls "what do you think of Jon" when you're out with them, and plant the seeds of doubt in their mind do they may have your back
    If you don't prep a foundation he's gonna have free reign to defame you.
    You don't wanna be needy or whiney, but tell em something like "yea he was a great friend but one day he started just making stuff up and lying all over the place, I wouldn't trust him"
    You have to plant the seed in people who trust you more than him, start to discredit him slightly

    Also plan some defenses when you're around him, Im not at all an advocate about lying but if he's making stuff up either ask him where he heard that, turn it around, or just make up stuff back

    It depends, If he's making jokes about you being gay or something own the joke like "oh yea I know I sure love butt sex" or whatever (obviously crap), if you take it away from him he can't hit you with it

    There are a lot of variables these are just some thoughts, really depends on some of the particulars
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    Default Re: how to deal with an AMOG who has turned vindictive

    Punch him! just kidding do u know how to destroy bf well destroying humans is the same or u could do what The Red Baron said cuz he will keep attacking u.

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    Default Re: how to deal with an AMOG who has turned vindictive

    I've had a similar experience once, so I know how you feel.

    What I did was that I talked to each of my friends privately, and said that whatever rumour the other guy had spread about me was not true. I said this in a serious tone, and when she finally understood, I'll lighten up the tension, smile, and pretend nothing really happened.

    Good luck, dude

    P.S. Yah, punch the guy!

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    Default Re: how to deal with an AMOG who has turned vindictive

    Since my initial post, two more mutual acquaintances have mysteriously blocked me from Facebook. It's hard to retaliate when I don't know what is being said. I'll take your advice and casually spread around how this guy has turned really vindictive, hopefully then people will realise his sh1t when he starts it.

    It's pretty demoralising when someone who used to be your best friend does this kind of thing out of the blue. Some thanks for taking this guy out and bringing him into my circle!

    Keep them coming guys! I'll listen to any suggestions.

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    Default Re: how to deal with an AMOG who has turned vindictive

    Ohh, one more thing........

    The type of comments he has said are: 'Mark came over to my house the other day and took the worst dump in my toilet, the whole house reeked afterwards, I couldn't even eat my breakfast.' Girls faces screw up.

    I go to reply...he moves closer to the girl and yells over the top of me: 'I care about my personal hygiene, not like HIM. You should see his room.' The girls look at me with disgust and that when he pulls out his mobile phone and starts showing them the website of his film company and bragging about all the stuff he has done. I'm standing there cringing but the girls seem to be super impressed especially when he suggests casting them in a film, then he gets their numbers.

    I'm much smaller than this guy so unfortunately hitting him isn't an option. How should I deal with comebacks when I can't get a word in and an AMOG is yelling over the top of me?

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    Default Re: how to deal with an AMOG who has turned vindictive

    You should have said "Dude, Why are you telling these girls the things you do and making it seem like its me? By the way, I need you to come by and unclog my toilet later, you aren't supposed to wipe with the whole roll."

    or tell this joke next time you are out with him.

    This will work better if there are 2 other guys present.

    Blow off his response, and be like "Hey guys I have a good joke." Even if you look like a wimp. We will call him "Evan" b/c that is a douchy name. His friends are "Ryan" and "David" to make this easier to tell.

    Then start like this...


    Evan, Ryan and David were in a plane crash last week and died. I then got in a car crash a week later and walked up to the gates of heaven. St. Peter said to me "No matter what you do, DO NOT step on one of God's ducks.

    SO I walk in and see David. He is with this hideous girl (everyone will chuckle) and I was like "Dave what happened?" and Dave said "Aw man. I stepped on one of God's ducks."

    Then I come across Ryan, and his girl makes Dave's look like a supermodel. I say "Ryan man you can do better than that." and Ryan said "Yeah dude, I tripped on one of God's ducks and fell on another."

    Finally I come up on Evan and he is with the hottest girl I have ever seen (Evan will be like "YEAH! That's right" or some DB response like that). And I say "Evan great work man" and before Evan can say anything the girl says "Yeah... I stepped on one of God's ducks."


    This joke also works if you are working a Set and targeting a girl. I make the girl I like the butt of the joke and she usually thinks its funny. But Evan would know he has been had.

    here is another AMOG comeback thread as well that has some other good ideas.

    http://www.puaforums.com/how-talk-gi...html#post23489
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    Default Re: how to deal with an AMOG who has turned vindictive

    I agree with The Red Baron and Tropics.

    Personally, I think the problem lies with your friend.
    Find the source and the rest will fall in place.


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