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Thread: is this worth continuing?

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    Default is this worth continuing?

    I'm in the friends zone with a girl I have known for 2 and a bit years. We spend quite a bit of time together and have become quite close, however, nothing that I try (Game tactics) has worked so far. She constantly dates idiots who treat her bad and I'm finding less and less that we have chemistry.

    I'm not that invested in the whole thing since I'm dating a couple of other girls, however, I would like that there is at least some chemistry between us.

    Is it possible that sometimes there's nothing you can do to get out of a friends zone?

    She is very clued on and comments on other guys she's friends with who try particular tactics to get closer to her (i.e. leaving stuff at her house) or guys she believes are hitting on her.

    Months and months ago when we were drunk, I suggested we hook up and she laughed at me and said 'sorry, I don't sleep with my friends.'

    Since nothing seems to work and I don't want to stand around watching her pick up other douches, should I ditch this girl completely?

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    Default Re: is this worth continuing?

    No I don't think you should ditch. There's always a chance to get out of the friendzone. Actually, in my own personal experience I was in the friendzone for almost 10 years and once I learned game it took me two weeks to bed her.

    But this is a delicate game. You suggesting that you two should hook up is what we call AFC behavior and I'm sure the rest of your tactics reflect what that phrase represents.

    There are a lot of things to cover, but the main one is to use reverse psychology. (You also have to increase your flirting) You have to get her to a point where she is telling you why she would make a good fit for your gf or whatnot. Change the dynamics between you two so that she is chasing you. This is the starting point I'm giving you. But you will have to do the legwork if you're serious about this.

    Oh and btw. Consider the friendship over once you go through with this. It can evolve into a wonderful relationship or you will have a falling out and never be friends again. Understand these risks and don't fool yourself into thinking that you can go back to the way things were after sleeping with her. It won't happen.
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    Default Re: is this worth continuing?

    Getting out of the friend zone is a process. It's typically not something that happens over night. It's a change in attitude over time that allows the woman to start viewing the man in more of a sexual manner instead of just a friend. How is this done?

    Right now, start to distance yourself. Don't answer ever call, don't answer every text, ultimately start to become more mysterious. When you're with her, start making more sexual comments and making sexual innuendo jokes. You want her subconscious mind to start associating you with sex instead of just a friend. Kino her a lot in a playful manner. If you go to a club, dance with her and such.

    Basically, you want to set off all the subconscious attraction triggers in her brain that will allow her to perceive you differently. The number one mistake guys make when trying to get of the friend zone is this. These are some wise words I just came up with 30 seconds ago so pay close attention.

    GUYS TRY TO GET OUT OF THE FRIENDZONE BY PLAYING TO THE GIRLS CONSCIOUS MIND. What does that mean? Guys think by just establishing how they feel to the girl will get them out of the friendzone. NOPE. That only works if the girl likes you back. YOU HAVE TO ATTACK HER SUBCONSCIOUS BRAIN THROUGH THINGS LIKE KINO, SEX JOKES/TALK/INNUENDO, AVAILABILITY, AND EVEN jealousy. This is something that typically can't be done in a night, but how long it takes can have a huge margin ranging from a couple of days to even a couple of months.

    So to conclude, don't give up on her. Just don't focus on her either. Use this as an opportunity to practice getting out of the friendzone, but in the meantime keep talking to other women.

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    Default Re: is this worth continuing?

    I am thoroughly impressed lilsting. I would like to emphasize what he means about playing to her conscious mind.

    You NEVER want to try and convince her of why you two should hook up. Or really verbalize anything that has to do with you two romantically. It has to be an unspoken taboo between you two that you refuse to discuss with her. That means never opening up about your feelings for her until after the deed is done. If she brings something up about what's happening between you two it's best to play dumb like you don't know what's going on and are just enjoying the moment. I've gotten away with just smiling while physically escalating and completely ignoring the direct question she just asked me.
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    Default Re: is this worth continuing?

    Or you could do it in a few secs it really depends but then making yourself a little bit unavailable as suggested should get you through.am really blow off by the fact that some people are beginning to see you don't give up on some girls but sometimes stick to improve your game.infact have some girl -- friends in your life.once theres RED HOT ATTRACTION.no turning back.you decide.

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    Default Re: is this worth continuing?

    I'll explain more.

    As for the suggested hookup, that was nearly a year ago. We were drinking and talking about her dates and that she had one almost every night of the week except Wednesday I was the same so I told her she should be my Wednesday and then we'd both have a full week. She was dismissive and annoyed at the suggestion.

    If I neg her she gets fired up and defensive. I do stuff like Kino and talking about my dates, sex etc but now I"m getting a bit paranoid because she talks about guys she's not interested in who talk about sex and do kino on her and she mentions that she knows what they're trying to do so then that makes me feel like she knows that I like her.

    Also, I just moved into a new place and invited her over for dinner and she brought her friends as well and made a big deal about not wanting to stay in the house (and I didn't even invite her to stay!).

    Mind you, this girl is a red hot 10, damn sexy, and smart as a whip but I'm actually starting to get put off by the fact that she's hard for me but easy for most other guys (excluding her AFC friends of course). She's always complaining to me about the fact that guys use her for sex and then dump her.

    This is why I ask if it is worth continuing if she sees through all the game stuff. I've tried most of the game stuff and it hasn't worked so far. She knows I'm going on other dates and I've even set her up with some guys so I don't believe I've given off the needy or AFC vibe.

    The only thing I haven't tried is rejecting her ie. what Style describes as active disinterest, making comments and doing things to show I'm not interested while using other Game tactics.

    Any more thoughts? ideas?

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    Default Re: is this worth continuing?

    Great post, lilsting

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    Default Re: is this worth continuing?

    Tbh you've already answer your own question: you're dating other women and having the time of your life so don't compromise it for one "tail". Unless she has some elixir to life that the other girls you're dating don't have you shouldn't be fretting over her so much. Another thing I've started to realize (my personal opinion): if you have to ask other people if it's worth continuing then your subconscious mind has already decided that she's not worth chasing but your rational mind( conscious) doesn't want to let her go and wants other opinion to rataionalize what your conscious wants.
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    Default Re: is this worth continuing?

    She may feel you want that.. which is not really bad if thats what you are shooting for but you may go indirect.when you invited her over she thought you wanted to.. which made her uncomfortable which ended up with a groupie at your place.
    the best thing to do is still keep your options, but then take this girl on dates that doesn't make it seem like thats all you want.think a walk in the neighborhood, trip to museum.etc.be sure to kiss close here and there.. but then don't go for sex yet.after a few dates invite her to hangout at your place.you could escalate then.


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