Bitch Shields?

Very good points, can't start a fire with just wood and matches. Kinda confused me on the eye contact part though...and with those things that I'm doing right now, you think I'm trying too hard maybe? Because I'm kinda sensing that on my part (Not to call you out or anything, not with that intention, but asking you if I'm trying too hard to get her attention, because I'm kinda sensing that I am), It's even gotten so bad that when I see her on facebook I post up a stupid and funny status so hopefully she likes and/or comments on it (and it has worked before...but not now..not sure why), and as for the pre trip date...that'll be kinda hard as I have no classes with her now...any ideas?

are you trying too hard, of course not, there's always room for more effort and enough room for less effort.. the question is .. are you doing enough in to make yourself satisfied with your performance. If you get that feleing of "why did I do that, or should have just did this or done nothing at all" then yeah, you're trying too hard.

Facebook tip, I do this personally, anything personal or inside jokes.. private message them, the only reason is her friends can all see, and you don't want to a) always post stupid things (as you say) or b) have her friends notice you and start commenting on the stuff you post... a girl cherish their girlfriend's opinions, so beware... yeah a simply message 1 or 2 times a month is fine ...

to set things up with your gal, easy if you have her e-mail or number, call her up and ask for coffee, say something like... "hey (name), was I only good for study with? I haven't heard from you much after exams, let's grab a latte (never coffee (dhv it) or lunch, or something that's done in the daytime ... when THAT happens set up the NEXT outting for another time to something active.. I usually say bowling, foosball table, pool is great for chats and one drink or 2. BUT Never more than 2, unless you want her to feel like you're up to something. test her, pay for her first drink, see if she pays for the next ....

there's are plenty of ways to win this ... just got to play your cards right.

Yeah thanks, I never really was satisfied with my results so far...I feel that this is sort of fitting into Einsteins definition of insanity...doing the same results over and over expecting different results. Maybe I should try to step out of my Comfort zone more...must sound kinda annoying with me asking all of these questions (but thank you for replying fast), but I'm not sure if I've built enough rapport with her enough to ask her to go for coffee per se. I guess I'm gonna have to play it slow, built up the rapport first of all with the eye contact stuff, and step out of my comfort zone to approach, then when I get "in", maybe then capitalize on things and move in. First things first though...gotta get rid of the aa first, hold eye contact, and open. Again, sorry for asking but, any other ideas to get her attention, as she and her friends talk by themselves whenever I see them, and I don't want to awkwardly approach a set of 5 girls, (all of which have bitch shields to note...like attracts like...) and stumble on my lines, and end up getting embarrassed. I have thought of an ftc, but the approach itself kinda worries me. Walking about 20 meters to where they are, can seem like the hardest thing in the world, as they might be thinking of ways to shoot me down, as I'm approaching. Sorry for asking so much, but thanks for your help!

well I don't know how well you know this girl.. but my suggestion is to bring a friend along with you whom has a mediocre skill level. this way, you can introduce him to that group of 5 girls... while he's getting acquainted with them, take that one girl aside.. say give 2 minutes before you do to get a drink.. (DO NOT PAY.. just ask for her company)

since you know this girl already, no eye contact tricks are neccessary or pick up line openers.. all you need to do, is ask for that 5 minutes alone for that drink...

example was, i feel brutal for this story but i must tell you because it's what you may need to do ... my buddy dated this girl, not the best looking, but whatever, i kinda had a thing for her and they broken up for 4 months. I asked her if she wnated to grab a drink with me at the bar... then we chatted (asked her if she liked the place, how she was doing, asked her random stuff) .. then I said, w're so close to the dance floor, how about one dance.. we grinded front and back and we ended up making out! did I expect it or wanted to at first .. no. but i was happy i did what I did. (don't ask if my buddy found out.. lol)

in this time, what can you do? talk.. be a gentleman .. ask her about her week, talk about the trip, best ting is to bring something up you probably know the answer is no and go from there .. for example. Have you started to plan for that trip in June yet.. like stuff to bring and stuff to do? if the answer is no .. then say me neither.. been lazy but I want to start soon, want to join?

ftc is only effective if it's a BIG crowd and there's at least 100 metres to maneuvre... as you said.. it's looks stupid to wlak away by yourself to nowhere.. best to know her friends too. Introduce yourself, ask how you met her, as if you KNEW the girl for a bloody long time, even if it's faking .. if you're REALLY rich, then maybe buy a round of shots to get things started ...

one that can built a rapport with ANYONE related to the situation is great! like they say, to get a stripper or bartender, make yourself look great with the bouncer, DJ and bartener.. this case.. her friends. In Van Wilder the movie, that dude can get any girl because he was a partier and mainly because he interacted well with anyone he met.. do that and you are golden.. sometimes when you aim at a target, you got to waste a few bullets, just to get them to know you are there.

thicken your skin and just ask her for the things you thought you'd never get, sometimes it's our confidence that can surprise us too...

I LOVE Van Wilder, true, he is sort of an alpha male in a sense...well..he is an alpha male period. Very good idea with walking with your friend. That actually gave me a good idea. Unfortunately my main wing is currently.....incapa citated at the moment. I would use one of my more quiet and more reserved friends and ask for the "quick female opinion" made famous by Style. I think this would be smart because since, I'm more outgoing than my friend, it'll make me seem more alpha, it'll introduce me into the group, and hell I can even try to have a little more "Van Wilder" in me to make me seem more fun. Also it'll take the awkward element out of it too, because I would be walking with my friend and would so happen to glance in her direction, then ask something. I am gonna have to refresh my material on the Isolation, but...thanks for the suggestion, very very helpful. My thinking is that all status is perceived, regardless of how long the person knew you, if I think im the sh1t, then I am, regardless of what other people say, I only care about one person in this group, and if the other people start giving me trouble, who cares? Again, thank you for your comment, helped, A LOT

Keep me posted....

Check out my bartender issue under how to pick up women... Bartender help thread.

Bitch Shield usually only happens when approaching with neediness, NEEDING a good reaction from the girl. Also if you are approaching from a negative place, not feeling internally happy. Girls usually wont be mean if you are approaching happy and cool guy.

Oh boy. I know this is an older post but i just had to chime in. First off I have met women like this and they usually want a man who puts them in their place and wont take their sh1t. So when she says something bitchy, look her dead in the eye smile and say, thats cute." Then turn away and look out away from her like something else has caught your eye. Then turn back to her and give her a neg. If she is one of those women who obviously put time into getting ready for the evening, the lipstick on the teeth is a good one. Use the dryer lint move. Keep a piece of dryer lint in your pocket, and pretend to take it off her back and say, wow how long has that been back there. It puts her off balance and destroys the shield because now she is insecure. Now work your routine. Hope this helps.

the first most important thing is don't at all be intimidated. I love approaching 9s and 10s because 1 i got nothing to lose and 2 once you break the Bitch Shield you get further than breaking the shield of a 6 7 or 8.

Think of it like this. this girl has a huge bitch shield that no one can penetrate so if you go up to her and not penetrate it then so what no shame in that however if you do it means you are closer to this girl than 90% of guys have ever been. That means she will probably have more respect for you than some one with a lesser bitch shield would.

try this say go up to here and just say
"hey hows it going (her name)."

With her shield she will probably just go "fine" or something like that giving a dead end answer.

chuckle and say a smart ass remark like "Ha care to elaborate on that?"

she will probably be surprised you chuckled at that response. if she say something like "No" neg her about being rude.

you just have to be quick witted if she says something about you hitting on her neg her by telling her she is jumping to conclusions and you just want to talk to her,

Doing this can bring the shield down and after word you can create a friendship then move in on her.

I think 9s and 10s are actually easier to break the shield because it is easier to throw something at them they don't expect. got to remember the 9s and 10s are so use to getting hit on a neg or challenge will really catch them off guard and surprise them. The only risk is that they may be taken already be sure she is single before engaging because you dont want to piss of a macho boyfriend.

bitch shields vary some are trickier than others, some reward better than others. some take longer, some damn near no time at all.