Morals...

Night 1:

Right basically, on of my closest mates told me we were going out at the weekend, the only information i go was 'I'm picking you up at 8 dude' so me being me = cooool!!! turns out we're then off to pick up 3 girls he works with, again, me being me, goes with the flow. In the Car on the way to pick them up, he tells me the (soon to be established) HB9 is not happy with her fella of 6 years and is probably going to start looking for some fun, and him and one of the other HBs (who i have met previously) have been 'bigging me up to her'... ok thats the opener, the night rolls on as follows,

we pick them up, i make a few witty comments, but stay quiet majority until we get to town. once we're in town, we get to the bar, sit down nice and comfortably. I approached the situation as my friend being the AMOG (him working with the HB's n'all) and played it from there. chatted heavily to the other two HB's in the group early on in the evening, as well as another male workfriend of theirs who joined us and a friend (a great wingman) of mine. i started by using the whole social dynamics thing of 'group acceptance' - everyone else in the group got attention from me and become interested in me, and then the HB9 started fighting for my attention, giving off a load of IOI's, sitting down and talking to me and then wondering off to flirt with the my friend (the guy who drove) and her other male work friend. everytime she did this i either turned to my wing and carried on a convo, or chatted to one of the other 2 HB's in the group.

we moved on to the next bar. their male workfriend disappeared and on our way accross, the HB9 started giving me some MAJOR IOI's. in the next bar, HB9 was dancing with me, grinding up against me and becoming very flirtatious, i ask if she fancied going for a cigarette, HB9 obliged = Kiss + Number Close! we talk for a bitin the smoking area, and she notices that everyone else was out there too (her work mates, including my friend and my wingman) and said ok, we'd better go over and start talking otherwise we'll get in trouble, (her having a fella worried one of them wud tell him) so, i'm like 'coooool'. once we get back to the group, my friend who'd drove us insisted it was time to go home ( it was 1:30 am)... so he dropped me off first, no sooner had i left the car, was she texting me! making it VERY obvious that she wanted more.


Day 2:

continue to text with HB9 and agree to meet day 4


Day 3:

after work i head down the pub with my friend who drove on day 1 and another friend. during this outing my other friend blurts out that the friend who drove on day 1 'fancies' the HB9 - information which he denys and claims he would have said something - he said this verbally, however, non-verbally, its obv he has a problem with my closes from day 1. I figure that as he hasn't verbally said anything I can carry on, if he was that bothered, he would say something straight out rather than deny it??? surely??

Day 4: I'm talking to her during the day via txt msg and she tells me shes moved her shift to late shift so cannot see me later.

my friend who drove on day 1 picks me up and makes a massive point of telling me he had an awesome day at work, working shift with HB9 making the points as follows:
- she said he fella doesn't buy her gifts, so my friend bought her 'a rose to "embarrass" her'
- she said if she split up with her fella, she would date 'someone like' my friend
- she said she couldn't get with anyone who works in the same place as her, or same shift pattern as her to which he apparently replied 'i'm leaving soon and heading to work somewhere else' to her
I just smile and nod (as you do)
- She's apparently going round his house on day 5 and he'd "better clean his room"

later in the eve, he asks me which set pieces i used on her on day 1 - honest answer = one. neil Strauss's 'rings' routine from 'the rules of the game' the rest was pure improvised attraction. he said he had tried that routine on her today and that she had told him i'd already told her that info.

My initial plan was if she wasnt available on day 4 to wait a further 2/3 days before contact to see if i could tempt her out again. however, it appears my 'friend' has jumped back in.

right basically, my moral issues:my friend hasn't told me straight out that he likes her, (despite him encouraging me to close her on day 1 and making massive hints on day 4 - he still hasnt told me) should i carry on with my plan provided he fails with her day 5 (his failure is possible despite his awareness of the game hes still a massive AFC), the fact she has a fella doesnt bother me.

basically, IF he fails should I pursue a full close? is it bad of me because he's my mate?

any advice would be helpful - cheers x

well he just sounds confusing. he tells you to go after it but then is acting like a total love crushed AFC. its up to you. if you close he cant get mad cause he had plenty of times to say "hey im trying to close. just wing me" haha so fark it. i would go for it

Yeah, see that's exactly my thoughts! The only bit that doesn't work in my favour is the fact he spends all day on shift with her so he can be tellin her anything he wants bout me! The only thing I know is IF he actually manages anything tonight, then I won't bother, if he fails, the hunt is back on!

There's so much more that bears weight in me carrying on - e.g. His cockblock escapades, and the fact that HE goes after HB's his friends are either about to close or have told him they have a thing for. I have tried to remind him there ARE some rules still amongst the pack and the fact he has read Neil Strauss's books doesn't immediately make him a master PUA, (Is there a term for that yet? If not there should be the amount of guys I know like it!!) but he just don't listen!!!