Help me on this internet pickup! Please!

So i saw this chick online on beautifulpeople.com. This girl is a 9/10 and bloody gorgeous. She definitely gets guys coming on to her left right and centre. But I decided screw it and sent her a message. It developed into a conversation and I am now stuck. Please review our exchanges and critique my methods and tell me what i should do from here on. Thanks!

Lez999 wrote: so you're the blonde then, is it real blonde? so tell me beyond that are you someone i would like to get to know better?

HB9 wrote: yeah im naturally blonde but ive experimented with hair dye a bit so where are you from?

Lez999 wrote fair enough. i was born in london, lived in israel half my life and now live again in london. but lets not talk about boring stuff such as where im from, i find it far more interesting to get to know someone on a deeper level and find out their opinions on issues around us. tell me, what are you three best characteristics? and you physical can't be one of them!

HB9 wrote: haha ok. oh i wouldnt say my appearance is one of my best characteristics or whatever. id say im a good listener, very optimistic and i cant think of another how about you?

Lez999 wrote: hmm interesting ones! a good listener is something very under appreciated today but its so very important! and optimism, well that goes without saying that it should one of your best characteristics! i think im gonna decide your third one but i havent got one yet! when i get to know you better ill tell you what your best side is. so miss optimistic listener, beyond it is very important to be able to appreciate people's perceptions of others around them as well so for example, what do you look for in a relationship and a guy?

HB9: wrote hey you didnt tell me your three best characteristics! i like modesty and someone who is smart and not too loud. good hygiene is pretty important and nice eyes and smile and ofcourse he has to be faithful and loyal and stuff but i suppose all guys should be like that so its not something that i should have to look for in particular. what is your ideal girl then?

Lez999: yeah it was a test to see if you'd notice i hadn't! well either that or i forgot... you're absolutely right though loyal and faithful has now become something that you have to look for which is really sad because that is something that i too require first and foremost. i think i keep pretty clean as well but you will have to decide for yourself on the pretty eyes. my best i guess i would say is integrity, honesty and self-confidence to go after what i believe in. my ideal girl has to be firstly sweet and nice, i have little time for bad people. then she has to be fun as im pretty adventurous and spontaneous so she will need to come to paris on a whim. im the same as you that she needs a fantastic smile and nice eyes. are you adventurous? what is the craziest or most spontaneous thing you have ever done?

HB9 wrote: Erm, wouldnt say im adventurous and havent done anything spontaneous cause im still pretty young so havent had the chance to! although id like to ofcourse. but whats the most spontaneous thing you've done? nothing too crazy i hope! good weekend?

Lez999 wrote: tough weekend, was applying for jobs and its tiring! ive done a lot of spontaneous things but one that comes to mind is when a mate of mine called me one day and said hey what's up what are you doing? i said nothing just chilling. he said wanna come to the philippines? i said yeah sure and he said ok you have a flight in two hours, so i packed and flew to the philippines for two weeks. how was your weekend? ive got this cool thing to show you, wanna play?

(She didn’t answer for a few days so sent her this)

Lez999 wrote: i dont wait around so ive decided to take initiative with you. let me ask you this, do you think most men know what women really want?

HB9 wrote: hmm i think most are cluless on what women want and how to fulfill them tbh. have such a bad headache!

Lez999 wrote: aww what's wrong with your head? migraine or hungover? I think most men might THINK they know, but I think almost every man makes one, huge, critical mistake when it comes to women...

HB9 wrote: i just get really bad migraines! ah i agree. do you think you know what women want?

Lez999 wrote: well, you can tell me if im right. the mistake is that most men don't recognize that in each woman their are actually TWO women... the natural woman and the culturally programmed woman. the culturally programmed woman is the one with all the rules and all the roles. all the restrictions, constrictions, all the shouldnts, shoulds, don'ts, can'ts, mustn'ts etc.

But the natural woman, that's the woman right there at the core, where you keep your most exciting memories... where you ponder fantasies., daydreams, amazing possibilities... the things you'd do if no one were watching and no one, even your best friends, would ever, ever know about...

most men just do things that trigger the culturally programmed woman. But when a rare man can touch a woman in that special place in all those special ways you LONG to be touched, in ways you maybe even can't admit to yourself, then BAM an almost complete transformation takes place and you start blossoming way beyond what you ever even thought possible.

So I think the smart man is the man who has the realisation that that place is there, waiting and longing even inspite the fact that women often have to lock all of that away and yet they are still there...

that's how i feel. thoughts?

(She didn’t answer for a few days so sent her this last night)

Lez999 wrote: So i disclose the secrets of my trade and you don't answer? not impressed. now you're going to have work twice as hard to get my attention.. however, since i see so much potential for the two of us, im willing to give you one last chance...

(She replied this afternoon)

HB9 wrote: oooh so you see potential for the two of us? so you are impressed then i have two chances left not one. be nice deary. good day? left handed or right handed?

I'll take a crack at it:

First, you end game is obviously not to have a friend who chats with you on the internet. Work towards that. Start trying to get her out for something innocuous like coffee. You don't want to hide behind a computer, your a man, and you are selective. She needs to know that.

Make sure that you don't allow her to fall back on stupid, pointless questions like the LF hand RH stuff (Although we all know that right handed people are better /joking ). Call her on that. Make a point of disagreeing with her on many issues. Controversy is good for raising value, and makeing interesting conversations. Most of your post agree with her. You will sound like everyone else that wants to get into her pants if you agree with her on everything she says.

Wow! Thanks man! I wasn't expecting such a detailed response! Really appreciate it. So i was thinking of replying to her last post with:

"nope, you only get one more chance with me, unless you earn another one. i wasn't impressed but you made me laugh and now i've got to know you a little better so im still sceptical but now curious... come on let's not talk about nonsense such as right handed people...tell you what, its nice when you meet someone you have a connection with and it seems like we have hit it off, what do we have to do to continue this conversation elsewhere?"

I like the idea and direction of where you're going but "what do we have to do to continue this conversation elsewhere?" seems to be asking for her permission. You're giving her the upper hand here. Change that into an affirmative sentence and you've got yourself a real life date.

^^^^What he said.

You want to be dominant with woman. That can sound a little sexist, and you may be saying to yourself, "I don't want to always have to be in control." However, you have to understand attraction. Women like men who are dominant. That doesn't mean they want to be dominated all the time. People don't like to be in charge when they are nervous or unsure. Women are especially that way because they really fear social awkwardness. Therefore, you want to control things early in the relationship. You want to make the decisions easy for them. It shows that you are a man who knows what he wants and goes for it. That is incredibly sexy, and it removes much of the social awkwardness from the relationship. The time for asking and being very sensitive to a woman's verbal desires comes much later in the relationship and not during initial attraction.

Example of your return chat, that would be better:

"nope, you only get one more chance with me, unless you earn another one, though you get points for making me laugh."

New message after she responds:

"Come on let's not talk about nonsense such as right handed people and such. In fact I am getting rather bored of this whole online chatting thing. You should meet me at X on Y for a drink of coffee."

Make X a well known and populated place. If your truly assimilated into British culture, I wouldn't object if you change coffee to tea .

hmm ok. how about this?

nope, you only get one more chance with me, unless you earn another one. i wasn't impressed but you made me laugh and now i've got to know you a little better so im still sceptical but now curious... come on let's not talk about nonsense such as right handed people...tell you what, its nice when you meet someone you have a connection with and it seems like we have hit it off, give me your number, i think im going to call you."

Or do you have something else?

Sorry, I kept editing my post. Go back and read it for a suggestion. The new one you wrote is better, but still it is implicitly asking for permission. You want to get as close to demanding that they come see you as you can, without being rude or creepy.

ok i like. but surely the first message just leaves it for her to not reply? I mean im not asking a question or using a hook to get her to respond. why would she?

It doesn't sound like a question, but it in fact is.

Think about it in her shoes. When she's reading this she can either say "sorry, I'm busy" or some BS like that or she will say "sure, why not?"

With the way you've positioned yourself, following what gunsnglory says will sway her into the direction of saying yes, which increases your chance of sealing the date. You see what I mean?

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That is true, but it is the type of post you want to answer. It is light and fun, and it also doesn't sound like your hanging on her every response. You basically lobbed her an easy ball, and now she can decide if she wants to answer it. It could be better, if you are worried about her not responding, but you don't want to look like you are worried about her not responding, that will make her think you are needy.

Ok, indeed you are the master. I wrote your first email back to her saying:

"nope, you only get one more chance with me, unless you earn another one, though you get points for making me laugh.."

She wrote back saying:

HB9: how can i earn another?

Should I send the second email now? What is she doing with that comment?

I would say wait a little bit. Respond before you go to bed tonight or even tomorrow if you're busy today. This will let her feel that you're not the sticky type of guy and that you have other things to do. It also lets this cliff hanger stay in her mind a little.

When you email her back, tell her you will give her a chance to prove to you by going X on Y (as stated by gunsnglory) for a coffee.

This should set you up well.

The comment she wrote means : "Ok, you seem interesting. Let's see what you've got."

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Mystery beat me to the punch.

She definitely is interested. She is also hinting that she wants you to move the relationship forward. So do it, and leverage that openness to get her to meet you.

So I emailed what you guys told me to do. I'll let you know what happens. Although could her comment not be interpreted as:

What do you mean earn another?!

As in like she is taken aback by my rudeness to imply she has to earn another and is now being snobby saying err, how can i earn another?

First of all, you have to be more confident in yourself. From our conversations, I'm getting the feeling that you aren't sure if this is going to work. I've been there and I've felt the same at first, but it does and you will see results. You have to trust it first.

Now to answer your question, if a girl is not interested in you why would she ask you how she can prove it to you? Turn it the other way, if you weren't interested in a girl, would you even waste time talking to her?

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Women won't extend themselves like that. If that was her meaning, she would know that by asking that question, she would be making herself vulnerable to you asking very inappropriate or creepy things. Not something she would do, if she was already feeling a little worried about the meaning of that statement.

Ok you guys are once again right. So I had written as instructed by you:

Lez999: i am getting rather bored of this whole online chatting thing. i'll give you a chance to prove to me and earn another one, you should meet me in town on thursday for a drink of coffee.

To which she replied:

HB9: where abouts do you live?

Lez999: i live in north london. but ill be in town tomorrow for an interview. lets meet around 6pm at the covent garden station and ill take it from there.

Now here's what she wrote back

HB9: i cant do tomorrow! sometime next week?

The reason I am asking the question now is because I saw David Deanglo say something that when girls say lets do it next week or something its an excuse for them to flake out and forget. The question is, should I respond saying ok send me your number and ill call you, or should i say here's my number, call me and maybe we will hang out next week?

I would reply to her - "Next week should work, text me on Tuesday to confirm" or similar. Pretend you are an aloof girl with lots of options.. that always works as it trumps them being able to do the same...

Women can reschedule to flake, but not necessarily. Since she sounded interested to begin with, I doubt she wants to flake.

However, I wouldn't set up a hard and fast date with her for next week, because it gives her too much power, and possibly makes you look a little too accommodating. What I would do, is say something like this, "That's too bad. Guess we'll catch up another time. What's your number. If I am available next week I'll give you a call."

When she gives you her number, text her, and tell her hi, and let her know who you are so that she has your number. Also, that will establish that you text. Then between now and next week, I would start text game with her. You can find stuff all through this forum on text game, including the thread "Day Game: Blanked out" by Mystery_Wannabe.

Next week, on a Tuesday or later, I would text her about getting that coffee, that you previously talked about.

I totally started my post before Bill submitted his. It is like we are sharing a mind link.