HB 10 but cant figure how to get her

and actually i have a similar situation that i am taking the challenge on. I have a HB 9 or 10 that is completely drop dead gorgeous and is so much fun to be around. She has a boyfriend but she is completely unsatisfied with the relationship and everyone around her knows it. But he is one of those guys that freak out and is ready to hit her or fight other people and then be all crazy clingy. The wierd thing is, she has a very low self esteem and she actually think she is not good looking. I cant believe it, cause im looking at this gorgeous puerto rican girl that i cant believe that she isnt a model. Completely gorgeous. I just wanted some ideas.

I had the idea of being situational and creating Sexual Tension and also make it seem like sex or dating isnt my goal. Whenever a guy hits on her she completely shuts out guys when she senses that they are hitting on her cause she doesnt want the drama. So im thinking that if i can be genuine and build attraction but not come off like im trying to date her that it will be like she wants me even though she is with a boyfriend she doesnt want anymore.

Please give me some strategies, routines. etc. Very detailed though cause i really want to try and get this girl. She has some flaws but a very good fit for me.

First of all, whenever she brings up her looks change the topic, she is trying to get attention, if you refuse to give her it she will chase you for it.

Create strong Sexual Tension and she will start to be very very attracted to you. But make sure that you can devalue the boyfriend, for help with this check out the Alpha Male section.

Lastly you need to build keno, do it slowly, but you need to get to the point where you can put your arm around her and she doesn't care. Once you hit that point its a matter of Escalating the sexual Tension between you two and she is yours easy.

ok but how should i start it initially. And she wont usually bring up her looks cause she doesnt think she is hot. She actually thinks that she is grotesque. But i guess if i dont compliment her that she wont see me as usual men and will want to hear it from me. So she will chase for me to compliment her. But she has lots of guys that dont try hard and end up in her friend zone. I need the best plan to go for this girl before i actually initiate it. I want to make sure i have her figured out before i actually try and hit on her. Right now i have initiated it and made her laugh and connected with her culture cause i have dated a puerto rican before. So i have that going so far now i just need to have a real talk with her.

Sounds to me like you are flirting with some pretty badly damaged goods. So make sure you want that situation before you step into it. Don't let her lean on you too heavily for emotional support. Go do fun things with her, and make her laugh. What you want to do, is create a really fun pseudo date atmosphere so when she goes back to her loser boyfriend, she will think about how much fun she had with you. Once again, DON'T let her lean on you for a lot of emotional support or you will be permanently friended. This is really important with this type of girl.

She is likely never going to initiate anything intimate. You are going to have to do all the heavy lifting. So you are going to have to create moments that build Sexual Tension. Salaami has some good advice. This is the type of girl you can have long conversation with about important things to you. Share your passions with her, and get her to open up about things she really is passionate about. Build emotional closeness that way.

This type of girl is pretty susceptible to long deep looks into her eyes as a way of initiating those sexual Tension moments. You will have to move slow though.

She will also probably faux deny all your advances, so you will have to move slowly and be persistent.

I hope this advice helps you. If I read this girl right, I have had quite a bit of experience with her type.

GnG

yeah from what i have learned about her. She is completely an investor, denier, idealist. And yes i have taken on the idea of having a damaged good. She might be damaged goods but i have seen here capacity to care and this might affect her but she always looks at the better side of things. Yeah im thinking that i will have to be slow,persistent and create a very fun dynamic with this girl. I feel that i need her thinking about me, cause she is the kind of girl that would think about it and say to herself. Why is it im always thinking about him when im with my boyfriend and that when im with him everything seems to be nothing and all drama is gone. So im thinking that as long as i give her a fun time, make it seem *at first* that im not after a relationship and then create attraction and Sexual Tension that ill lock her down. Im sure i cant do something usual on the so called first date. With this girl i dont even think she will accept an advance at a date, ill have to take an opportunity to hang out with her when her boyfriend isnt around or create the dynamic that its just as friends and maybe invite some other people along.

Any other ideas cause i have had a thing for this girl for a while but it just got resparked not too long ago. Im thinking that if i can get some friends and her to come to like indoor rock climbing i can pair with her and just talk, connect and start creating that attraction. It makes it fun and disguises what im trying to do. I just also have to make sure that in the group i invite i have one or two wingmen to make sure nothing bad gets in the way of me connecting with her.

yeah i totally already recognized that she is damaged goods but you also forget the type of woman i described her as. She is a Investor, Denier, Idealist. We also call these hopeful romantics.
this is the description of a hopeful romantic and ill go more into it.

Overview
The Hopeful Romantic is somewhat old-fashioned. She daydreams about the perfect man coming into her life, romantic escapades, and has long-term hopes with the men she gets involved with.
For the Hopeful Romantic, the potential of a long-term relationship is the foundation upon which everything else lays. It’s not that she needs a boyfriend or husband – those are simply socially construed titles. You must go deeper and hit her at her core to satisfy her emotional and sexual needs.
Men often run into trouble with a Romantic by coming off as insincere or “player-ish.” It’s OK to be seeing other women when you meet a Hopeful Romantic, but if you try to lie or cover it up, she will lose all hope of a future with you, because to her, relationships – whether platonic, romantic, or somewhere in between – are founded in honesty.The Hopeful Romantic woman is an iNvestor, so she looks for sexual gratification and emotional fulfillment from one man, not several. When she meets a guy who catches her interest, she immediately begins to size him up as a long-term partner.
If she gets the indication that he doesn’t have the capacity to bond with her, she will move on. But here’s where it gets tricky. A man who is moody, or wild, or living on the edge actually indicates the potential for rapport because he is emotional, AND he is not trying to pursue her to get sex. The hopeful romantic is a girl who will always be looking for love because she adores the feelings of being with someone she loves.

So basically even if this girl is damaged goods she will always be looking for love and it wont affect her view on men. Yes her ego and self esteem may be damaged because she doesnt have a real man to help her boost her ego and self esteem. I know that with this girl i might not want to go ahead and say, i cant believe you dont say ur beautiful, your drop dead gorgeous. Cause im sure it happens all the time cause people always notice her low self esteem, but when i do haave a real moment with her and i end up opening her up is when i can be real with her and boost her confidence a little. So yes she is damaged goods but she is the easiest type of girl to fix. Now if i tried to fix a Tester- Justifier- Realist after that, i would want to shoot myself cause it would be so hard. I just am going to make sure that i dont have her lean on me but that i reinforce her confidence of being a woman and knowing that she is comfortable in her body and that she is a strong independent woman.

Thanks Coyote. I am not recommending that crobinson1 doesn't persue this girl, I am just warning him of the implications, which he seems fully willing to accept. One other thing along those lines I would mention, is please don't try to pick up this type of girl for a one time fling. It will mess her up even worse.

As far as things to do, I find that really active things work well on this type of girl. It gives you something to do when the conversation starts to lull. It also builds lots of good memories with you. Take her shooting. Take her on walks (I go for walks almost every evening, and I love to bring women along. It is a great way to get some exercise while building closeness in a non-stressful way). Just about anything you love doing that involves action. If you love to shop, take her shopping with you. Never frame it as a date, unless you say it jokingly. Just invite her along.

Further notes on dealing with her neediness:
Whenever she brings up something where she is obviously trying to get attention, or trying to emotionally unload on you. Reflect BRIEFLY on how whatever she is talking about, somehow connects with something in your life, then immediately talk about how you have overcome that, and then talk about where you are going in the future. Finally, change the topic. This is the best way I have found to deal with this stuff. You don't become an emotional rug for her, but it will still inspire her, build closeness to you, and make her feel like you understand her, and will be good for her.

For Instance:

HER: I probably shouldn't get one. I already am too fat. (jokingly)
YOU: You know, I used to always worry that I was too short. No, I'm not kidding. It used to be really self conscious about it. Now I doesn't even bother me at all. I learned that people judge you by how you carry yourself and not the physical aspects that make up your person. Yeah, now the whole worlds mine baby! (laugh)

See what happened there? She started to solicit some praise from you, but you didn't fall for it. You started talking about something that was completely unrelated, except that she will notice how it really does tie in. Your story shows how you over came the thing. Also, now the conversation has drifted far enough away, that she can't really bring up her original topic again, even if she wants to.

yeah thats really good cause i could see her putting herself down but if i can relate it to my life and how i got over it, it builds closeness cause other people are going through stuff like her and are basically saying, i did it, so can you and after you will be a different person and have a whole new inner confidence.
yeah i decided to try to catch this girl. i know if i do im not just going to have a fling i can see dating her and having a good time and making some good memories. is there anything else cause i like to do some indoor rock climbing and i find that fun cause it builds trust cause she is depending on me not to let her fall but it also gives us time to be active in case the conversation goes dull. So ill try that, inviting her along to do stuff that i like and that are pretty active and try to build closeness, comfortability, attraction, Sexual Tension, and trust. If i can do that this girl will probably find herself thinking about me while she is with her boyfriend and end up leaving his abusive ass. i hate punk bitches that abuse girls.