Waitress who doesn't take orders

yeah mate, please do let us know cos i will chat about this one with you as you go.

it is a personal hobby of mine - going to cafes and chatting up the serving wenches

lol exactly..i love trying to get them cause it is a challenge cause lots of people do it

and in many places here they are they only ones not drinking

These are all good suggestions. But I would suggest not being too fixated on this one woman. Try approaching other HB's while you are working on her. That will help you be perceived as not being needy and desperate by her.

i agree primarily but be prepared that it means your game has to be better to get any one or all. there are alot of advantages as getting starry eyed for one babe but i let the first one know that i didnt treat her any different than i treat all girls. i am up beat with the ones i aint that interested in. then they know my personality is consistant and i am consistant. i like being nice to uglier girls cos lets face it it feels good to be nice and just because i dont want to sleep with them doesn't mean i cant make them feel good too.

somewhere like a cafe everyone knows i am the alpha male. its great going in with a pack so we are all the alpha predatory hunters.

these days if i play a chumps game i have ethical problems with lying to deceive and seduce and its just false any way et al... usually i at least have a reputation round certain areas so i walk in a few places and i get loved like i am the favourite and cool little brother, one chick gives me cash as i bailled her out a while ago and she is making sure that all the babes see her putting notes on my saucer... damn its just fun to raise my standard of living to that of a player even if i aren't taking one home every night.

keeps getting better and i keep learning and people are happy to see me. i keep meeting more and more people too and i have a pretty good reputation as far as i know

Hey everyone.

Friday night drinks went alright. It's the best I've done so far because all the suggestions came into play.

When the bar was quiet, I approached her to ask something and got in my dhv story. The convo lasted about 5 min, the longest I've had with her! She was quite attentive and interested, even asking me questions.

When I asked if she'd like to go for coffee, she said..... SHE HAS A BOYFRIEND. Bummer.

Not sure how to react, I smiled and still gave her my card. She had to get back to work and said
'I'm sure I'll see you next time' with a smile, so at least I left with a good note.

All is not lost; the experience has been invaluable and I've learnt a lot. I am still quite fond of her, and I'll try my luck on other girls as well.

I couldn't have gotten this far with out everyone's help. Thanks guys.

well actually im going to say...go for it. it doesnt matter if she has some boytoy. She is not married and obviously she had some interest but now you have to come off as the guy who is looking to hang out and then show her that your a better catch than her boyfriend. and then sometimes when she keeps putting up that wall of boyfriend just ask her straight up. so how is the perfect relationship. i always wanted one. how did u do it. Then she will start pointing out his flaws and then defend him cause she will keep going.

No worries, I'm still trying for her while keeping my options open.

I like the idea about asking what the perfect relationship is, I'll try it next time.

Going solo is something I'll have to consider because my friends have other commitments now.
Would it look strange going on my own?

Also since she has some idea that I like her now, could the conversation go awkward because of that?

no because she is still working and she will try to stay upbeat and keep it from going awkward. But just cause a woman thinks you think their attractive doesnt mean its going to go awkward or that they are going to avoid you. and if you try the how is the perfet relationship. u have to defend the boyfriend. never try to put him down cause you dont know him, let her do that. and then when she says all the stuff is wrong listen and try not to repeat similar mistakes because she wont see u as a better catch

a woman will ALWAYS upgrade if she sees it as advantageous to her