A bit of newbie help?

Hey there! I've got a bit of a problem with girls and i just have almost all my life, and the worst part is.. i've tried many many times with different techniques but still no results.

SO..let me just get straight to what i;m doing daily now, because i still can't seem to get a date for almost 4 years now.. not even a girl's number.

I wake up every morning, take a shower, shave, brush my teeth etc. Make myself feel as fresh and clean as possible. I leave my house always feeling positive and vibrant.

Everytime i walk past someone on the street, i make an effort to say 'hi', 'how's it goin'?' and if there's something interesting i will add, 'hi, good day! nice shoes *with a smile'. I get positive response for these things and it helps me get a good vibe going until i reach my uni.

There are some girls doing the same course as me but they are my juniors. If they enter the room or if i bump into them, i give them a quick 'hi!' but they don't say hi back. Mind you, its not just one but almost all of em. Only the older ones at least smile back. And if i ask a quick question *usually they wont start talking*, "hi, how's your weekend?" and they might reply just 'pretty good' before talking to someone else or just abruptly leaving the room.

If i walk past them in the hallway, it's as if they're avoiding eye contact with me. I dunno why.

It's pretty hard to even start a conversation with them with that attitude. I can't even start Sh1t. How am i gonna get into the game and at least try some cocky funny or Push Pull, i can't even get a conversation going to spark attraction.


I hope you can help me with this, i want to improve my situation badly. If it's the problem with me, just say it and also tips to improve myself. Thanks guys!

ok well actually the younger girls just to seem to think your creepy or too up beat and happy. Im going with the first one. First off being happy and all is cool but sometimes its a little creepy. You dont want to just seem happy like its a great day, you need to seem happy to see them personally and compliment them. the usual, how is ur day going sh1t doesnt fly. One thing i say you should do is get out of your box and go try to find some new women. Your new mission for a while is going to be trying to open with different women all around, if you find a women attractive go talk to her but you need to kind of decide whether a direct or indirect approach. For now just do what comes to mind after you have some practice then we will go into stuff about which ones to use on certain types of girls.
Examples of indirect approaches are things that usually use situational openers or opinionated openers.
"Hi there, i just wanted to come over and get a womans point of view on something." and then input something you might want to know or something woman wont mind talking about. like why do girls break up with guys over text. so since that was an opinated one lets try a situational one." Hi i just wanted to come over and get some helping finding something. Im suppose to meet some friends at a restaurant called ___. Do u possibly know where that is". then from there she will answer and you can go into. "ok well ill find that but i just wanted to talk to you for a second before i go meet my friends, my name is ___, *offer hand* whats urs". and that there at the end went from being indirect to direct. i kind of strayed from the point but you understand.
Direct openers are usually to the point like "hi there, i just noticed you, and you probably get this all the time but i noticed you and had to come over and say that you are absolutely stunning. my name is ___ *offer hand* whats urs".

Ok now that we have gotten past openers we need to move into the meat and potatoes. After you open you need to start building rapport and attraction. Sexual Tension maybe if you can move into an instant date. Like if you were doing the opener above and you can get her to come to the restaurant to check it out with you cause you have never been there, or whatever other excuse. But basically if you have the time to you can start with sexual tension but for now lets start by building attraction. One thing i personally like to do is tell DHV stories because your telling her a quick story, displaying certain good traits about yourself and possibly able to get her to talk about herself and have her get comfortable and tell you about herself. So there was actually a DHV that i used tonight on a waitress and it went kind of like this.
Me: So why do you work at Applebee's, you seem like a noodles and company girl to me?
Her: lol well yeah but actually this is my first restaurant job ever!
Me: wow really. Well i myself used to be a sandwich artist at heart. But thats over, my sandwich art was one of a kind.
Her: hahaha i could see it already, the perfect sandwich.
Me: lol it was ok working there but there was one time that was pretty crazy. So i was working and you know that feeling that when you get off and go home and you smell just like food, ugh i hate it. But anyways i had just finished closing and my friend ___(girl) had called me and asked if i could come get her from Denver. She had just broken up with her boyfriend that night and she wanted to go out. But apparently sometime during the night she took acid and didnt know how she got to the art gallery she was in. So i drove an hour to go get her and then i pick her up and she was just sitting staring at a painting. So after all this time of me freaking out cause her phone died on my way up there and trying to find her. I finally got her home and in bed. I finally get home and the funny thing is my roommate looks at me and says, dude you smell like a meatball sub. sh1t im hungry why didnt you bring something home?
Her: lol omg i couldnt imagine a night like that. That sounds insane.
Me: yeah i couldnt believe after everything, he didnt like that i didnt bring him a sandwich. haha

So in this story i related to her on something silly and said i hate when i go home smelling like food. And then throughout the story i just was displaying traits that make me look good. I dont like drugs, i have friends that are girls that i have no problem helping and being comfortable around, i care for my friends, and ill go out of my way to help someone i care for. So i find that stories help relate to the girl, as well as help build attraction. i took that into talking about her and having her tell me about herself.

One thing you want to do when opening a set is use kino. You can do this any amount of ways and the more creative and fun it is, usually the better. I had a set i opened the other night and i was just having fun and had decided to ask them if i could take a picture with them. There was two parts to the catch though, we have to delete it after we take it and we have to try and make the funniest faces ever. It allows me to get in close and put my arm around my target and then it gets them laughing and ultimately building attraction.

There are also games to help find out about a girl. Look up the cube game on the forum or on youtube. I personally love that game because it is perfect. Or also use a thing i call the ring routine. Basically if your targets has some rings on you ask her if she wants to have some fun. she usually say what. make up a story about how a friend is into history and psychology and that he is doing a cool study. Tell them that back in ancient greek times, people used to wears rings on certain fingers to pay hommage to certain gods. After a long time of this, it actually got programmed into our subconcious mind and now wearing rings on certain fingers show traits of your personality. Thumb = posiedon= boring and not much fun: Index=zeus=controlli ng and wears the pants" middle=bakus(god of wine)= party wild girls: ring=aphrodite=god of passion and love: pinky=aries=god of war. Basically what you want to do and take her hand and as your explaining this story just touch her hand playfully and do things basically to get her a little turned on or just focused on you. Then as your going through it be playful and tease her a lot. But not harsh teasing just something fun. lets say she has one on her index finger, i might say "a ring on this finger means you are much like the god zeus (god of gods) and zeus is very dominate and very controlling and i cant tell that you seem like a girl who wears the pants in the relationship and that why is wouldnt work out between us, im a pants guy, you cant wear the pants".

Finally, the Number Close after being playful, flirty, teasing her and making her laugh you want to leave on a high note and get her number. What usually works is, ok well i really i have to but you seem so fun and interesting. Can i get your number and ill text you to go out, as long as you dont control me to do everything you want Zeus. Still keep being playful and then hand her your phone and tell her to put it in. One thing i like to do is just say, ok well im going to give ur phone a call so u know my number and we dont get that awkward start cause you dont know who i am.

OK WELL I JUST MADE A HUGE POST, DOES ANYONE HAVE SOME OTHER GOOD INFO. THIS GUY REALLY NEEDS OUR HELP IF HE CANT NUMBER CLOSE OR GET A DATE. PLEASE HELP AND PUT UR PERSONAL FLARE IN HERE.

DONT FORGET I WANT YOU TO BE APPROACHING DIFFERENT WOMEN DAILY AND TRYING YOUR HAND AT THESE ROUTINES.

P.S. FALSE TIME CONSTRAINTS HELP KEEP RESISTANCE FROM GETTING IN YOUR WAY, ALWAYS TELL THEM YOU HAVE PEOPLE WAITING BUT YOU WANT TO TALK.

your aim is to get up to putting false time constraints on em or leaving the scene at a high point so they can smile.

break up the pattern... don't say hi sometimes. make a parody of yourself. take the piss outa yourself and in a self respecting way. like yourself and make yourself laugh.

don't expect any response from them mate... let em do their thing and you do yours. watch you doing your thing and find some things about your self you like that make you smile in a nice warm way. write down some good memories.

go to a tarot reader or astrologer and get a reading and start talking about stuff to do with your character and choices

add a bit of mystique to yourself. find an image. my image isn't really apparant in my dress sense though i am known locally as a writer and sometimes musician though not everyone knows i can play the blues. i refused to fit a genre or style and i even go to goth clubs more like a surfer. i have built up a bit of rep that i am a dude that fits a few scenes without conforming to the fashions. my tattoos are on my heart so to speak, who i am is deeper than my image

self knowledge is great and as you get to know things about yourself you can tell girls about themselves. they love talking about themselves

good reply coyote i agree. But from what he put he needs more practice with women. so just get out there and practice. Use my stuff if you need until your comfortable and then put your personal flare on ur game. make it fun to do your game. I know i like thinking of new ways to get women to respond to me.

Thanks crobinson1 and coyote. Am gonna try it out today. =D

Yeah, cool tip Viruscast. I was thinking of wearing this really old looking watch that my grandfather used to wear.

It looks something out of a steampunk culture but i think the more important thing is it has a story to come about and that it's fairly noticeable,enough to strike up a conversation about. Thanks man!

yeah peacocking would be really good...sometimes just changing your style makes girls go crazy and see you differently. You should try it cause i have seen a girls reaction when you change your style and its amazing. From the way you talk and present yourself on this forum i would peg you between the age of 28 and 40. and you probably dress conservative or business casual. I think a good thing to try is maybe shopping at armani exchange. Get a new pair of jeans, a polo or two, a couple tees and maybe a track jacket. that would be around 300-400 but they look hot, last a while and it would definitely help girls notice you more. And then if you changed your hair, bam whole new look. maybe try it shorter and maybe spiked or something awesome.....theres no better way to Peacock than getting a new outfit and style. but make sure when you go out that you dont think you look wierd. make sure you are overflowing with confidence in your new look. they will definitely notice and ask why you changed your style, come up with something interesting and then flatter compliment them and then soon tease. cause using there compliment to Push Pull them would be great

If your in university, your best bet is to open lots of guys, make friends with the guys who talk to girls, in a way i guess its social proofing.

Umm heres a good one, I have a hard time with biophysics(ok not hard to believe) but I went to 'math center' for help and I was able to open so many girls who were having the same problem as me. And man, the hottest girls need help in math, legit.

I'm a great guy but feel know the hot chicks don't dig me so I shrink. I hate it. Hope Miless made some progress I'm just starting. I think know it is in my head but it alters my perceptions so I dont even see when a girl is interested in me. Like blindness. I really want out.