Mystery, David DeAngelo, and Juggler are all frauds

Mystery, David DeAngelo, and Juggler are all frauds.

There is no proof that either Mystery (Erik von Markovik), David DeAngelo, or Juggler (Wayne Elise) have ever been with HB9s or HB10s.

There is no proof that any of their techniques work on HB9s or HB10s.

I've been in the game for 2 years, and have only scored with HB8s and below using the material taught from these three "gurus". (mystery method, Double Your Dating, How to Meet and Connect with Women.) I've also read countless other PUA and seduction books and e-books, including Robert Greene's Art of Seduction in full, The Game, and Mystery's Magnum Opus video course (valued at $2397). I've still only had success with HB8s and below from being in the game for 2 years. If I do not sleep with an HB9 or HB10 by the end of this year, I am giving up on the game altogether. It is a waste of time.

Here is a look at each of these instructors' girlfriends to prove that they are not pick up artists, but in actuality, scam artists.

Dude, you got serious problems. If these are their choice in women, who are you to piss on them? Half of Mystery's girlfriends that you've posted here are actually very cute.

Katya is very cute, Jackie's attractive, the girl on the right in the first last one ( the one you called HB2 ) is a solid 8, the girl on the right in the first picture second post is actually a solid 8 as well, the girl on the left ( where there are three HB's ) is also a solid 8 ( maybe she has a nice body too, but strictly from what I see, she's an 8 ). While I do agree that David D and Juggler's girlfriend are not my type at all, it's their life and choice of women and who are you to judge them and question them?

All in all, either you have unrealistically high standards when it comes to women, or you did something wrong each and every time and decided it's better to put the blame on these guys.

Personally, I've bedded 9's and 10's with the help of David's stuff and Mystery's stuff effortlessly. Mostly one night stands or short relationships, to be fair, but that's not the point.

It all comes down to your values and beliefs. If you are unsatisfied, you need to reconsider them carefully. A lot of guys got awesome results. Me included. Just so you know, I'm not affiliated with any of these guys, so I'm only talking from my point of view as a satisfied customer.

Either this, or ( according to your other posts ) you're just a spammer who tries to pull something "smart" out of this by dissing these guys and promote somebody else's stuff, in which case you will be banned.

Don't bullsh1t us with this irrelevant stuff just because it hasn't worked with you. We all know the difference between US women and European women ( me being from Europe...Eastern Europe...where you'd get a boner just by walking on the street...no joke ).

Or you're Ross Jeffries, in which case all is explained.

You clearly seem to be frustrated over something completely irrelevant. I can't believe you took the time to even post this up.

If in your eyes those girls are sub par, fine great, good for you.
But did you ever imagine, as I am sure many mature men might know this, is that sometimes it isn't ALL about the looks.
How many of us want to wake up next to a gorgeous woman to only eat breakfast with her and as she speaks, you just want to jump out the window?
This may seem cliche' but beauty is within the eye of the beholder.
Maybe these women have something in them that Mystery, Juggler, or any of the other PUA's you are referring to that the other thousands of women they had in their lifetime don't have.

I mean, give respect to where it is owed. These guys wrote books, have more money than probably 98% of the people in this forum, and are well known. What can you say about yourself??? (And I really don't need an explanation because I don't care.)

It is kind of low to just go on ranting about people like this. This forum is to help other's out, not to go on about hating this guy or that guy. If you have advice, let us know, tell us. Do something about it. Heck, write a freaking book man.

*raises hand*

My point exactly. It's a matter of taste. Quality physically vs. Quality on-the-inside. They might have had at the very least a 20-ish number of women who are a Perfect 10 ( looks-wise ) but put simply and bluntly they might have been completely, utterly, unabashedly stupid or simply not girlfriend material.

I'd go for an 8 or 9 who's a 10 on the inside any day than go for a 10 who's a 4 on the inside ( read "dumb" ).

@ the disappointed guy : Plus, you have taken stuff out of context. I do remember saying in The Game that you have to practice, practice, practice game with ANY chick. They might have just been caught in that position. They actually might be friends, even relatives, who the fark knows. They're a lot of variables and factors you need to take into consideration.

Not necessarily, man. They have an entire staff of people working for them ( and most likely, they need to be paid ), protocols to do, expenses to cover everything that translates into seminars, bootcamps, DVD home courses and so on and so forth. Let's not judge that way, because this too is to a certain degree irrelevant, not to mention that your statement has a certain amount of prejudice into it. Not bashing you, just pointing it out.

And furthermore, I do suspect that this disappointed guy is nothing but a member of the Ross Jeffries school of seduction/spammer who calls these guys a bunch of idiots, bringing irrelevant sh1t to the table ( for those who have fine-tuned their bullsh1t detector, for those who don't, they might believe him ) and try to sell another product from a direct/indirect competitor to these guys. If that's the case, buddy, I don't care which guy you're endorsing, I'm not gonna buy the products that guy has to offer, no matter how good the product ( or the PUA who sells it is ). Not only that, I will forever ignore the guy's future endeavors without hesitation.

fark NLP seduction patterns. They're for low-lives and scumbags who try to mindfark their way into her pants. Not cool, man, not cool. Even though I did start out with patterns back in 2006, I strongly love myself for realizing that this is bullsh1t and does nothing good for me internally. Thank God I turned to natural game. It's a very fulfilling approach. And more fun.

Man look at those women though, I bet you would be happy to find yourself in half those photo's surrounded by half those women, and i bet that is maybe a 100th of what is actually out there of him with women, so you bitch and complain but use these techniques to pick up women you find sexai, or hott. I happen to find lots of those women gorgeous, and i am totally support for these guys I have been using this forum for help on my game for about 1 week now and i have seen a major difference, when i fail though i go to this forum and look for where i failed and how i failed so that way i can do better next time.

I agree with Dissapointed, although his ratings are a bit harsh, they do tell a tale. Are us guys seriously allowing ourselves to be instructed by these wacko's on how to get hot 9's and perfect'10's'? Between all the women shown above, the highest rating i would give is a 7.5 although i must say Mystery's photo with 3 girls is impressive stuff, that is some good company lol. But after that we have De Angelo with a rather, well lets just say he looks happy with what he's achieved ;P. And as for juggler, this is disappointing. I can understand maybe now there probably looking for inner beauty but when it comes to proving there worth, they've never ever produced anything.Even if you search the web for pics of them with descent women u get the above WTF? And so the newbie's ask
Does that mean there info won't work?
Answer:
Of course not ,most of it is great advise if you are not good with women and will help you improve, so no there not scams. They just lie or exaggerate all the wonders they have performed to help there product sell and give you the customer that belief in them. Douche bags :P

@Heatlove : You choose what works best for you, in the end. Nobody forces you to use their products if they don't work, pal.

Oh, and stop registering on forums just to say these guys suck. It's pathetic.