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    Default Difficulties Escalating

    Hello fellow PUAs,

    For the most part I am decent at approaching and generating attraction with women. My biggest difficulty is escalating in order to get a k-close. After I'm able to get a k-close I'm able to continue from there, but the biggest difficulty is transitioning and making the k-close move.

    My question is what are great ways to initiate a k-close.

    Thanks a bunch

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    Default Re: Difficulties Escalating

    Are you aware of Mystery's K-close Routine?

    Also, have you read Vin Dicarlo's Kino Escalation Ladder?
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    Default Re: Difficulties Escalating

    Go back down the ladder and up again till u get to the point of hesitation then build more comfort and continue the ladder. Side note: NEVER make it a big deal when she resists and IOD her when she does so
    "The world will never change much less become what you want it to be. The only thing that can change is you. Face your fears, grow stronger and become what you want to be."
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    Default Re: Difficulties Escalating

    Similar Situation EMERGENCY NEED HELP

    Xavier or anyone who's available its help me out. I had an HB 8.5. At the house tonight watching a new movie with me. The background is we work at the same office she likes me I like her we flirt on text and by eye contact. And we've spoken or texted just a few times so I finally said fark it and asked her out on a date. Perfect so we ended up watching a movie on my bed 21 jump street. Built up the courage to kiss her put my hand on cheek and kiss close. We even Tongue kissed but I think I messed it up as I stopped it. So we're watching a movie she hasn't seen before never again watching an old movie so she won't be too interested on it next time.
    Sticking Point: So after the first few kisses I try to escalate by kissing on the neck but not working I'm even cuddling a little with her. So I decide I'll wait til the end of the movie but nothing. She wouldn't even give me a good kiss tonight just a peck.
    Help me were did I mess up? And should I freeze her out at work or text her something. Please I was so close dang you LMR
    Where did I mess? Too much for a first date maybe? Also Had condoms in the draw were my gum was at and of course she saw it is that bad?

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    Default Re: Difficulties Escalating

    -It was not wrong that u pulled away from the kiss in fact it was the right thing to do, always be the one that pulls away from the kiss.
    -LMR usually stems from three things not enough rapport, u didn't escalate right and sometimes not enough attraction, when u encounter it u should Freeze Out immediately for about 15 min or talk about something else entirely unrelated to sex ( u of course freeze out cuz of the movie)
    -U should say hi normally to her but freeze out anything else for a couple of days a week tops, until she starts building rapport with u again.
    -Seeing the condoms is not a bad thing u're man that has sex what's bad about that she won't necessarily think they were for her unless she is very vein (i don't know if that's how u write it)
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    Default Re: Difficulties Escalating

    Weird coincidence, lol, pretty much the same scenerio for me on the same night of the 19th but from putting into action what I learned on puaforums it led to success. Invited girl to location close to my place, had a drink and hung out for about 1 hr. Suggested we hit a red box (DVD vending machine), rent a movie and go to my place. We ended up choosing, you guess it, "21 Jump Street". Poured 2 glasses of wine, cuddled while watching movie. Started kissing, which led to tongue kissing. I pulled away and pointed towards the TV to watch the movie. A little into the movie, more kissing, then heavy making out, then (following DeCarlo's escalation ladder) I lift up her shirt and my shirt so our stomach's are rubbing skin on skin while making out. Pulled her pants off then "let the LMR begin" lol. "I'm not going to have sex with you on our second date". My answer was, "That's fine", I zipped up my pants, pulled away from her and semi-ignored her for a while. Watched the movie, laughed at the funny parts, acted like I was having a great time by myself without her. Then the tides flipped, she started trying to seduce me by massaging me, kissing my neck. Man, I love the Freeze Out technique. I held my ground and didn't play into it and kept the freeze out going until near the end of the movie.. This drove her more and more crazy. Towards the end of the movie, clothes came off, brought her to my room, pulled out a condom from the drawer (where I keep gum too, lol) then lots of fun.
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