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    Default Re: Doubts on PUA community

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayz10 View Post
    Hey man, i feel you brother. Before i started this i used to be the shy guy in high school. I realized i had missed so many chances with so many girls, that i needed change. Change for the better. I only started doing this over a month ago. I see change, and i recently gt an f close on a girl. But i felt cold inside. Cause i used these Tricks, dhv stories , routines. I felt like this girl was just a safe. And i cracked the code.But i do have a question for those that have been in the community for a while now.



    Are these methods, openers, routines, things to get you started? Like the trainjng wheel to the bicycle? Or the bicycle itself?
    That's a great question man!!

    For me, it's hard to memorize specific routines because, it makes me feel "robotic" in a sense.
    So what I've started to do is learn WHY certain things work (techniques/routines etc.) & then figure out how I can create something of my own, to fit my personality & style.

    That way it just flows more naturally & is more genuine than a set of scripted lines. (Plus, I don't have to worry about the possibility that some other guy already tried gaming this girl with the same routine, & then me getting shut down.)

    So personally, I'd relate them as being the training wheels.


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    Cool Re: Doubts on PUA community

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayz10 View Post
    Cause i used these Tricks, dhv stories , routines. I felt like this girl was just a safe. And i cracked the code.But i do have a question for those that have been in the community for a while now.



    these methods, openers, routines, are things to only get you started?Like the trainjng wheel to the bicycle? Or the bicycle itself?
    In some ways yes, in others, no. Let me explain...

    Routines, openers, and other types of pick up material are invaluable for a lot of guys when they are just starting out because they do take some of the pressure off them. As a beginner, you have to train yourself to make decisions and say things naturally, almost without thinking. The less you have to think about the better, so if you don't have to come up with a good tease or DHV on the spot it can really help you out.

    However, it's not fair to say that pre-planned material is a training wheel. A lot of guys use it with great success and they're considered experts. But just like we've been saying, they've made it their own. These routines and lines are like your tools...

    Imagine you're a carpenter back in like the iron age. Most of your tools have to be hand made and forged. Now, for a carpenter who's just starting out and has to build, say, a chest, it'll look pretty crappy if he has to make his own tools first. But if you give him some decent tools (even of they're a little too heavy or too small for him) then have him build a chest, he's much more likely to build a good chest and become a better carpenter. Eventually he'll become good enough to make his own tools that fit him better, but he probably wouldn't have gotten to that point if someone hadn't had given him some tools in the first place.

    You use the canned stuff first, figure out what works and what doesn't, then make your own style based off what you've learned.
    Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “WOW...What a Ride!”

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    Default Re: Doubts on PUA community

    Quote Originally Posted by Cody View Post
    DandyLion,

    I feel you, but the PUA community isn't going to change unless we change it. All of the misconceptions exist because great guys like you aren't speaking out. It's easy to walk away, but if you want change you need to be change.

    But trust me man, I feel you.

    -Cody
    Just to touch on this previous post that Cody made...
    I kinda look at it like this:

    We really can't change the game itself, but we CAN change the way it's played.


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    Default Re: Doubts on PUA community

    To answers your question "Jayz10" openers and the other routines are just the training wheels, if you want to be a Master PUA that is. I used to used canned material when I first started, but know as style says; just be interesting and don't hit on the target at the beginning. Now days, I rarely use openers mentioned on books, I make my own openers. For instance the other day I opened a couple of girls by just saying "so are you lost". They tarted laughing their ass off, and after 10 minutes I was dancing with a Dentist and got her info, and invite to one of my events. And I have other stories man...sometimes girls approach me. And I am not kidding, they said 'I love your hat" and I said can't you think of something more original to hit on me, and they laugh as crazy. Here is a pic..so you know how I dress up when I go out!

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    Default Re: Doubts on PUA community

    I think going for women who are 10 isn't what it is exactly about. No woman is ever going to a truly a 10. You would set up for misery. Trying to date or screw as many women as you can will not satifiy you.

    You need to enjoy the process if you don't enjoy it you won't do it for a long time. Before I ever read about PUA techniques I was using it. Not only on women put people in general.
    Think about reading PUA books as general guide line. Sort of like a frame to a house. Same frame can be used but using different material and styles each can be unique.

    One thing is to keep it simple. I could make this one chick laugh just by saying hi in a certain tone and body language.

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    Hmmm. This is a bit of a tough one. I actually want to change. I want to be a confident sociable guy. I want to go out more. I want to feel that sensation of getting the girl exactly where I want them to be. I want to change the whole idea that engineers aren't sociable. And I want guys to be jealous of me. I started with this stuff and I'm loving it. My personality is changing for the better. I'm not the shy guy who stays at home anymore. I'm not becoming a jock or being rude. I'm giving girls what they want which is fun. If anything I'm being more respectful. How many girls do you know of that just want to hang out with a guy for a while if he's boring(How I used to be). If a girls wants to kiss you but you don't think it's right just yet, how irritated do you think the girls will be? I'm now giving them a reason to have fun, enjoy themselves while I'm doing the same. Sorry man, I used to think the same as you did last month, but i'm changing and I'm loving it,.
    Some of my friends are against it. But why do I have to be what they want me to be? That may sound arrogant, but honestly think about it. It's not arrogance. I'm living my life for myself not for my old friends who are preventing me from reaching my potential.
    I say things I never used to and I do things I normally wouldn't have previously done. Because I want my life to change. You should also decide how you want your life to turn out and what characteristics would that person normally have?

    So in conclusion, what is preventing you from changing? Why would you not want to change? Unless there's a valid reason for this, I say it's a good idea to start becoming the person you'd rather want to be.

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    Default Re: Doubts on PUA community

    Sorry. Previous message sent 2ce
    Last edited by Arunex; 07-31-2012 at 03:46 PM. Reason: Copy of previous message

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    Default Re: Doubts on PUA community

    Friends and family members saw me a little weird when I started studying the PUA material. But at the end of the day, if you want to have the power to choose the girls that you want, then you must take action to get some action. You have to be the captain of your own boat, make things happen...don't expect things to happen out of the blue. If people don't like the way I am...well though luck, I am getting chicks while those people that criticize me, only wish they could get the hot girls I am getting!

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    Default Re: Doubts on PUA community

    These methods, openers, routines, are things to only get you started?Like the training wheel to the bicycle? Or the bicycle itself?

    It depends who you're talking to. To quote AFC Adam (Because I will openly admit I'm his little b*tch when it comes to being his biggest fan), "Everybody starts at routine game." Some guys capitalize off of routines/canned material. I'll get to what I think on that in a second.

    So to answer your question, as it applies to the kind of game I advocate, No. It is most certainly not the bicycle. If all of that crap is the training wheels...well, I hope I can figure a way to teach guys to just ride the f*cking bike.

    However, it's not fair to say that pre-planned material is a training wheel. A lot of guys use it with great success and they're considered experts.

    Once again my own thoughts, but I don't know. If I am going to learn from an expert I want to be impressed, and there's nothing impressive about that. You have created a flowchart that reduces women to, well, nothing. Practically nothing. You no longer care what she says because you're worried about your next calculated response. 70% canned material throughout an interaction isn't impressive; it's sad. I can say that because I've been that guy, and once you use the same opener for the 11th time you no longer care. You've been desensitized to the fact that she is a human being with a real response. This can f*ck you up quick and your view on women.

    They said 'I love your hat" and I said can't you think of something more original to hit on me.

    Lol, nice. Sounds like something I would do.
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    Default Re: Doubts on PUA community

    Mabie this will change your perspective. you inspired me to write this.

    http://www.puaforums.com/pick-up-fie...html#post50016
    Men, we need to value our time more then we value women. This isn't to say women are not valuable. But who are we to believe in something so illogical, as men we should realize that without our time(life), we would not even be able to pursue women, but only our mother who gave us life. Why do we think we should prioritize them over our time(life) unless she is the one who gives me/my children life. Man is Sovereignty.


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