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    Default Re: pua's who seem to break some rules but still have success

    Quote Originally Posted by SexualSorcerer333 View Post
    I am an ex bodybuilder, believe me I have no issues with my body. I have pierced niples and a ton of super flashy clothing for peacocking. That is definately not that lol.
    okay what is exactly wrong with your frame then? .. maybe I am interpreting frame the total wrong way

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    Default Re: pua's who seem to break some rules but still have success

    Frame means frame of reference. For instance lets say you have two people who have an opinion on an issue. One persons opinion is entirely emotional. They do not know that much about the issue other than how they feel about it. The other persons opinion is totally intellectual. They feel that way because of a logical decision they made based on their vast knowledge of the issue. If the two of them are in a conversation, who has the stronger frame? If they are going to argue about the issue, the person with the kn owledge about it is going to come out on top, because he just has a stronger frame of reference, because he knows more about the issue. So he is going to have answers to most any questions about it. he is going to be able to talk to it in a dynamic fashion. He is going to be confident in his knowledge and frame of reference. The other person does not have this. his frame is weak. So your frame as i know the concept, equals your confidence in your abilities and where you are coming from, as well as your knowledge (or experience) and the ability to use it. So since I have been studying this for years, I have a lot of knowledge, however, due to my intellect being different from some, I hav etrouble remembering it all on the spot, so I do not always bring up the best response to any situation. So while I have a lot of knowledge, m y knowledge is incomplete, and I cannot use it as effectively as I need to. Hence my frame of reference is not as strong as I need it to be. And while I have a high level of confidence, it is just not enough. And that is the biggest thing about a frame of reference. A person may not even have any knowledge but oftentimes they are confident enough that they can just wing it. Though of course knowledge usually is what produces confidence, and it is important to have.

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    Default Re: pua's who seem to break some rules but still have success

    Why focus on Direct Game if your not comfortable with it? Are u having little success with Indirect Game?

    I'm usually like just stick to what works for u (unless your all AFC of course).
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    Default Re: pua's who seem to break some rules but still have success

    I do pretty well with indirect, I have come a long way. But I am still not where I need to be. Even if I can generate attraction, interest, and rapport, and Number Close, I have trouble getting women out on dates, and usually when I can get them to schedule dates with me they flake at the last minute. THe past 5 dates I made flaked at the last minute! It was a rough week. The last girl I did get on a date I really thought I did a good job seducing, we had one of those epic dates that lasted all night. But then on teh second date she lost interest and stopped responding to my calls and texts after that. So sometimes I know what I am doing wrong but a lot of times I just dont. But something is definately not right with my game.

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    Default Re: pua's who seem to break some rules but still have success

    I see. Sounds like you need some negging help. Or maybe since only 1 date said yes, u were giving off too much interest in that one girl.
    And there are alot of articles here about flaking

    Oh and if u had an all night date and didnt f-close that might have turned her off. Like she wanted to but since u didnt she's mad (and she doesnt even know why she is lol). Sometimes, if your NOT going for f-close an all night date can be a bad idea. Leave her wanting more and all that.

    Or maybe your just not a good conversationalist. Hope i gave u some ideas to work on.
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    Default Re: pua's who seem to break some rules but still have success

    SexualSorcerer you cannot use Sasha's game as a blueprint. Yes some of his game goes against the methodologies of PUA. But I would state that personally the PUA methodologies are way more correct than what you see Sasha does. Telling a girl that she is beautiful too quickly is the same as buying a girl a rose and she hasnt deserved it. It is basic psychology 101, if you havent earned it you havent deserved it and mentally you will ignore the person giving you such gift. Also, I mentioned in one of my post/replies to a fellow member that the laws of probability still applies. If you approach 20 women all HB10s you more than likely can score 5 numbers and f-close 1 or more. Why? Because there is always that girl that likes your game.


    Quote Originally Posted by SexualSorcerer333 View Post
    I was watching a video of sasha doing some extremely direct day game last night. And i was astonished at how direct he was with women, just telling them that they were beautiful and that he was practically in love with them at first sight, how much he wants them, etc. And I just couldnt understand how it worked. I mean being so extremely confrontational and direct, without doing much if any negging or Push Pull...I did see one video where most all of h is sets were not successful, but then once in a while he would have one that would just be astonishing, and I couldnt make sense of it. It seemed to go against the fundamental principles and logic I had learned about seduction. Is it just the fact that he has an accent and is from another culture so different social protocols apply? Or what?
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    Default Re: pua's who seem to break some rules but still have success

    Interesting topic. Some of you have problems going direct and I have problems going indirect LOL. SexualSorcerer333 said it best when it comes to the pros and cons of both direct and Indirect Game.

    As for day game. With my style and frame, direct suits me better. Why? because of the overall portrayal of my personality and I'm a slow starter (I have trouble with cold reading and building rapport). I'm too friendly, so by the time I'm ready to take the next step, they've lost interest or I'm likely friend zoned. Plus I can't stand to beat around the bush anymore, so I just get it out the way and be honest. I tell them they're cute/gorgeous (but only once), introduction, and start a normal conversation from there. But my point is, I do what I know works for me. Indirect doesn't really work for me unless it's Night game.
    But every girl responds differently so no one here is in the wrong for how they approach. It's the mid game that counts. Just my 2 cents from my own experience though.


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