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Thread: Having trouble with f closing new girls

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    Default Having trouble with f closing new girls

    Ok so I have known about game for roughly a year now and have definitely improved in some areas but still have a ways to go in others. I have gotten better with approaching, its amazing how well just saying hi works for opening lol, and just running a conversation all the way to number closing. But despite some k closes and some dates, I still have not been able to F close any girls that I have picked up or tried gaming. I know its a broad question, but any suggestions on what I may be doing wrong? More Kino, be more aggressive, try harder? I have noticed that a big sticking point for me is hitting on girls I am interested in, and i think that has something to do with my issue here.

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    Default Re: Having trouble with f closing new girls

    Some girls take longer than others. Have you tried escalating sexually, building sexual Tension? All of those can help to let your intentions Be known.
    You lose some you win some, learn from your mistakes and get better!

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    Default Re: Having trouble with f closing new girls

    You need to do one thing: grow some balls. If you're K-closing you can do everything to f-close. Don't fall into the trap of believing that some girls take longer than others (Sorry Marvilo, I just haven't experienced much of that).

    It's not that some girls take longer than others, it's that some girls put up more "resistance" than others. The girls that put up more resistance are either more concerned with social pressures, aren't comfortable enough with you yet, or have better control over their impulses.

    If you're making out with a girl you need to take it as far as possible every time. That means feeling her boobs, then trying to finger her, and finally ripping her clothes off. It all takes steps, getting closer and closer. The kiss is the first step, then making out etc. I'm willing to bet that your problem is not TRYING to go further after k-closing when you easily could.

    I have a thread on this topic. It's basically a guide on how to get a girl into bed ONCE you start kissing her. Read it here http://www.puaforums.com/how-seduce-...tml#post112641

    Also, don't be afraid to go for it! A girl might "act" upset, or pull your hand away but DON'T WORRY. She's actually really turned on that you had the balls to try. If you go for it and don't get it, I can guarantee you'll get another chance and at least you know you got as far as you could. Cheers!

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    Default Re: Having trouble with f closing new girls

    Marvilo, I dont think I really understand how to build sexual Tension honestly, as bad as that sounds. I am pretty bad at hitting on women in general, like I can be flirty and keep a good conversation going, but that only gets me so far. There is little to no sexual side to the way I flirt and my conversations with any particular HB. And when I hit on girls, its always very subtle or wimpy, like I will say some AFC sh*t like you look very nice or your really pretty, something weak like that. How forward do you be really? Like if I have been talking to an HB I just met and its going well, how sexual do you get really in terms of the way you talk to her? To give you a better sense of my game/personality, I am pretty good at making friends with women, just not at getting them naked lol. So i take that as I am doing something right and that I am not creepy or awkward, I just am missing that extra step, you know what I mean? I really think once I get a few closes its gonna open my eyes big time in terms of what works and what doesnt. Easier said than done unfortunately...

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    Default Re: Having trouble with f closing new girls

    Direct, thats definitely a huge sticking point for me. I get tense when it gets to that point and worry about blowing it by going to far too soon and then having to start over from scratch again. I have definitely gotten better, but its still a big challenge for me to even get to that point so I dont want to mess it up, which i know is the wrong mentality to have lol. I will definitely read that post, I have read some of your other posts and they are all great and really helpful.

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    Default Re: Having trouble with f closing new girls

    There's nothing wrong with telling a woman that you think she's beautiful, stunning, or you find her attractive as long as it's honest and you don't expect any outcome. You're not telling her these things to get in her pants, you're telling her because that's what you think. That's not AFC at all, that's as alpha as you can be.

    There's many ways to build sexual tension and one that's best for you at this stage is Kino. Touch her at every opportunity. That's it. When you talk to her place your hand on the small of her back for just a second at first. ANY opportunity when you can touch you should. Another way is to flirt and you said you're doing good at that. Sexual innuendo's is another way and they are usually pretty risk free.

    You can be as forward as your confidence dictates. I've gone as far as telling a girl I'm going to fark her right after we kiss for the first time. I also tell them if I like their chest or butt. You can be SUPER direct but you must have the confidence to back it up otherwise it can be creepy.

    The problem you have is not telegraphing your sexual interest to a woman. If you don't show interest she will view you as a friend. To show sexual interest separates you from the friend category. Next time you're having a good conversation with a girl try holding her hand. It's NOT a big deal it's JUST hand holding. This clearly shows your intent. If she pulls her hand away don't let it faze you, just laugh it off. You can even get cocky funny with it and ask her if you're "moving too fast for her" (big smile). If she holds your hand go for the kiss. BOOM!

    Don't be scared of escalating and "blowing it". You're blowing it by not escalating. Women are just as sexual as guys. They WAN'T to get farked! They just have allot more social pressure than men do.

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    Default Re: Having trouble with f closing new girls

    Quote Originally Posted by 2champ2 View Post
    Ok so I have known about game for roughly a year now and have definitely improved in some areas but still have a ways to go in others. I have gotten better with approaching, its amazing how well just saying hi works for opening lol, and just running a conversation all the way to number closing. But despite some k closes and some dates, I still have not been able to F close any girls that I have picked up or tried gaming. I know its a broad question, but any suggestions on what I may be doing wrong? More Kino, be more aggressive, try harder? I have noticed that a big sticking point for me is hitting on girls I am interested in, and i think that has something to do with my issue here.
    Firstly, plan your date near your place, it's easier for you to bring her home.

    Secondly, go on meaningful, personal conversation with her, having intense eye contact with and gradually increase your kino, but not too much yet.

    Thirdly, when you found that she's very into you: lean forward to you, ask you a lot of question about you, hold your hand..
    Tell her you want to show her something at your place and lead her home.
    Since your place is quite close, she have not excuse not to go if she's attracted to you.

    Lastly, escalate on her at your place...


    Solve the logistic problem , show her that you are interest in her as a person, and let her know that you are a sexual man. You are mostly good to go (at least at you stage currently).


    Hope this help,
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    Default Re: Having trouble with f closing new girls

    Thanks for the feed back guys. Literally applied some of this stuff saturday night on a 3rd date with this girl i picked up at a bar a few weeks ago and finally closed. It was great to finally go from approach all the way to close. Big confidence boost to actually do it and see that it actually can be done first hand lol.

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    Default Re: Having trouble with f closing new girls

    I agree with DirectisBest. Within minutes of kissing a girl I will be starting to grind into her, my arms swirling around her waist and butt, hands creeping over breasts, tracing over silky thighs under her dress, reaching into her warmth. In other words I get her wet. It's amazing how many 1st dates I've been on where the girl says 'we've just met, we're going too fast' but later I find out she brought along a condom. They are often prepared for it right from the get go.

    If she resists, I either continue more aggressively or go back to kissing or comfort and try fondle more in a few minutes. They are usually more open and horny each time. Also Push Pull.

    I also agree with Napolean about having a sex location or your place nearby to where you are dating. Make it easy and comfortable (music, mood lighting etc). It can make a significant difference.


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