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Thread: How do you reduce "Flakes"

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    Default How do you reduce "Flakes"

    So still being relatively new to this game. I'm still learning allot and honing my skill.

    Originally I went from mainly online dating to hitting the clubs this year and doing pickup. I've gotton allot better at picking up at clubs. As every night I usually can get a couple phones numbers. And generally get good responses with opening with little anxiety now. I will even have women who seem to open me.

    However I know this is part of the game. But it's kind of annoying when you get all these great interactions and they turn out to be flakes the next day. Where the girl seems super into you and will even make out with you at the club. And next day when you text her will be like "Who?". I suppose alchohol can do wonders for someone.

    I know this is all part of the game. But anything to improve my ratios would help

    For example about a week ago at Halloween I get invited to this club where my female friend is a promoter. She has few other friends at the club with her. So this really cute girl (HB9) starts dancing with me at the club playfully. She is someone connected to the group. More an a friend of a friend from the original girl that invited me.

    We break off and then have another rendevous where we are dancing together. Then at one point she feels me up while dancing and is like "ooohhh sexy". I look at her and smile and I am like "That's going to cost you. You don't get to touch me for free." (Something to that effect which she laughs).

    We then break off again. At one point I see one her friends nudge me over. And her friend (Whom she introduces as her bestfriend) is like "you are so cute, you seem like a good guy. Do you have a girlfriend, do you want a girlfriend?" (She is implying the girl I'm dancing with).

    Anyhow so the girl I am dancing with and I end getting up against the bar and talking. She seems like she is qualifying herself to me. I would ask her things like what is your sign. And she'd tell me capricorn. And I would be like "ohhhh man that'll never work between us". And she would qualify back saying "Virgos and Capricorns are good match".

    When we are talking she is pulling my face close to her. Her body language is very receptive. I reciprocate with some Kino and touching back.

    At the end of the night I'm thinking to myself this girl is obviously into me. Unfortunately I agreed to drop my friend off so have to go. She is with her sister and best friend. So I figure same night pull is probably not in order since she would want to maintain face with them. Plus I'm not clear with her relationship with my friend. So don't want to come off as a sleeze with her.

    So I tell her I'm going and she looks all sad and is like "where you going?". I end up getting her number and just text her my name so she has it. And when leaving just give her a hug where she grips onto me tight and is like "You're really cool!"

    I then wait a couple days and text her that I'm going to give her a call later today to chat. When I call I end up leaving a message.

    Don't get any response from the original two text I sent or a call back.

    So then another week elapses, I don't do anything further from me leaving a voicemail. I go out meet more women. Figure at this point just treat this like a social experiment as this opportunity might be gone. And I just need to learn where I am going wrong. So I send her an opinion opener question. Which I found sometimes to be effective online in re-engaging a thread.

    Whereas she text me back a "who is this?" and then calls me shortly afterwards with leaving a voicemail. Can't take the call since I'm driving.

    Anyhow next day I end up texting her a picture of us taken at the club from my friends facebook (Wasn't sure if that seemed to "not cool" - but hey this is a social experiment) page to "rejog" her memory.

    No response from that

    So this would just be an example of an interaction. Any things you say I could improve upon here? (I'm sure there are lots...As I'm still a learning Jedi)

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    Default Re: How do you reduce "Flakes"

    Flakes are almost always cause by lack of attraction / comfort.
    Be sure to FLIRT & make her have FUN.

    Don't rush through each stage, but ALWAYS progress/push forward. Being too timid is just as bad as being too eager.


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    Default Re: How do you reduce "Flakes"

    Sorry man but it sounds like you were just another bar dude to her. Girls are often just having fun and in the moment. But it also sounds like you didn't leave a strong enough impression on her.

    When dancing you should be getting touchy, not inappropriately but ramping up that sexual vibe and Tension. Check out Jeffy's video Boners not Kino.

    When she pulled her face close to yours you should have just started kissing her. When you were leaving getting just a hug is too friendly. You should have kissed her again.

    Don't leave voicemails...ever

    Otherwise keep up the good work.

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    Default Re: How do you reduce "Flakes"

    However I know this is part of the game. But it's kind of annoying when you get all these great interactions and they turn out to be flakes the next day. Where the girl seems super into you and will even make out with you at the club. And next day when you text her will be like "Who?". I suppose alchohol can do wonders for someone.
    the best way to avoid flakes is to avoid time bridges. girls go out to clubs mostly to dance, get hit on and have one night stands. when in a club environment, you should have this mentality:

    "if you can kiss her, you can f*ck her"

    your mistake is that you are getting numbers instead of walking the girl to a seduction location.

    So I tell her I'm going and she looks all sad and is like "where you going?". I end up getting her number and just text her my name so she has it. And when leaving just give her a hug where she grips onto me tight and is like "You're really cool!"
    you should have taken her with you, dropped the friend off, and went strait to your place. probably would have been an easy f-close.

    Any things you say I could improve upon here?
    learn to use insta-dates instead of time bridges. don't leave horny girls empty handed. if a girl is really into you, bounce to a nearby diner, sober her up a little, and then bounce back to your place for some wine. (I call it "dining, wining, and sixty nine in" )

    realize that the majority of single girls at the club are looking for fun and sex. and they certainly don't want to wait 3 days for it.

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    Default Re: How do you reduce "Flakes"

    [QUOTE=meteora;128113]
    "if you can kiss her, you can f*ck her"
    [\QUOTE]

    Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner!

    Girls aren't at a club to find a boyfriend, they are at a club to get f*cked. It's incredibly easy to bring a girl home from a club. They want sex MORE than you. Bring every interaction as far as possible every time. In an interaction like you described you should have been making out with her like crazy then brought her home. Only after trying to bring her home, and not being able to do so, should you get her number.

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    Default Re: How do you reduce "Flakes"

    Getting numbers is for pussies. When you're going home so satisfied that you number closed her, some other guy goes with her to his home to fuck close her. At the same night.


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