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Thread: We Disagree: My Problems with PU

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    Default We Disagree: My Problems with PU

    I hope you guys know me well enough by now to understand that I by no means intend to come across as a pretentious prick. I’ve been struggling lately with what PU is and isn’t. I just need to get this straight. Here are my qualms:

    Routine game and canned material is for p*ssies. (newbies)

    I’m sorry. It is. There is nothing “expert” about it. Any guy—Literally ANY guy—can reduce girls to science, which is not only unhealthy, but disgusting. When you memorize openers and have calculated responses to every possible reaction that she may have, she is no longer a human being, let alone a woman. You have turned her into an object. She is a validation machine: you find your self-worth through her validating you, which goes against the tenet of don’t seek others approval. If you are in PU to get women because women establish YOUR value, that’s f*cked up. If you continue to do this you WILL develop an unhealthy attitude towards women and it WILL spread into all other aspects of your life. I honest to God feel sorry for you.

    I already said this, but let me repeat it in bold: Women don’t establish your value. (And neither does comparing your “success” with other men)

    You establish your own value. If you’re surrounded by sevens and your buddy has eights, that doesn’t make him better than you. The idea of comparing yourself is a dlv. Your success is relative only to you, and when you allow yourself to compare your progress towards others (especially verbally) you’ve DLV’d yourself. No, not an outward representation, but inside, and that’s what counts anyway. Verbally asserting your alpha male status doesn’t give you alpha male status; talking about your d1ck doesn’t make it any bigger.

    Too much will kill you.

    Literally (STI’s) and spiritually. The more sex you have the higher your expectations become, and when she’s a 10 but you’re bored after a month you have “won” the game. How does it feel? Do you feel like a f*cking champ? No, because women can’t give you happiness. You need to come to a point where you realize happiness is determines by oneself, and I guess the guys that have done so left without telling us, or they tried but nobody listened (Ciaran.) Why? Because when you’re a chump that’s not what you want to hear. I’m starting to believe one’s time spent within The Community has a shelf life, because they get to a point where they get it but it’s too much for others to comprehend.

    I consider the goal of PU to be this:

    It is not the action, but the ability. It is not about “having” the woman, but knowing you could if you wanted. Kill the fear.

    I have said that I won’t give up on The Community, but if that is what The Community is—if all we are about is the prerealization moment—then I guess it’s no longer a choice anyway. I am moving forward with or without it, because just like women you have to be willing to walk away.

    I appreciate you all. Who is with me and pushing The Community forward and who thinks I’m full of sh*t?

    Thanks,

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    Default Re: We Disagree: My Problems with PU

    Cody, you're already ahead of "the game". (pun actually NOT intended, but applicable)

    It's the same thing that "Style" wrote about in "The Game" (Which seems to be a pivotal moment for most aspiring PUA's, after reading it & wanting to "play along".)

    Of course, the initial allure of getting amazingly hot women anytime you want, is going to be like a tractor beam for many guys; and they want to become "Style clones".

    BUT... it seems like they overlook the fact that EVEN STYLE HIMSELF realized that robotic manipulation, just for the sport of picking up women, became totally unsatisfying in a short amount of time.

    The knowledge itself isn't the "problem". The techniques (canned or not) aren't really the problem either.

    The issue is: "The responsibility lies in the hands of the individual who possesses such knowledge, and how he decides to use it."

    (Just like guns don't kill people; People kill people. So you can't blame the gun itself.)

    The same holds true for the information in the PUA community. WE are responsible for our own choices & actions.
    And our actions have a direct effect in how the rest of the world views us.

    Hopefully, like you; even more guys will begin to realize this much earlier as well.


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    Default Re: We Disagree: My Problems with PU

    Canned openers are definitely for newbies (unless it's their own personal openers). They are a great metaphor for training wheels on a bike. There actually are a lot of guys that have absolutely NO CLUE how to interact with a woman and need these canned material to help them get started. Telling everyone to "get confident" is what their AMOG friends have been telling them all these years. It doesn't teach them anything.

    The natural progression will be that they one day realize the ineffiency of canned material and become more natural and freeflowing. However, I believe that they still have to make those mistakes in order to learn.

    There is a Chinese term called "mushin." It basically translates to English as "no mind." There's a story about a man who wanted to learn Kung Fu to defend himself against people who wanted to harm him. (So does everyone else). He trained for years and years and when he became a master he lost the desire to fight. He KNEW that he was untouchable therefore did not seek violence.

    This is the same idea for when a PUA is able to sleep with HB10s consistently and even manages to have more than one girlfriend at a time. He will then desire a genuine connection with a woman. He has reached, in a sense, the idea of mushin. Where his game is effortless after all his training.

    I notice some things about this forum that is not in touch with what PUA originally was meant to be. I see a lot of jock-like mindsets with the "too cool for school" attitude and player like mindsets which a true PUA is not. We are suppose to be EVOLVED Casanovas.

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    Default Re: We Disagree: My Problems with PU

    You're so right.

    I guess I just feel a responsibility for something outside of my control, but I'm not their mother. All I can do is hand them the tools and hope for the best (and provide a solid disclaimer in everything I write. Lol.) Thank you.
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    Default Re: We Disagree: My Problems with PU

    I hate to be cryptic but you don't know, what you don't know. You are all on the path to enlightenment. No one becomes a great
    PUA without going through "The Crisis". Soon it will become clear. From the time someone told me this it took about 8 months before what he meant became clear. Good luck.


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