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Thread: Calling Other AllStars - (Major Concern) - Tyrone1991

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    Arrow Calling Other AllStars - (Major Concern) - Tyrone1991

    Pua Allstars Only! (<<< lets get that clear)

    Okay 6 weeks ago, i started noticing what seemed to be AFC's Giving other AFC's in need of help, AFC Advice (friend zone advice)

    It has slowly become more comman, Today I saw a thread (no fingers pointed) with a guy in need of help of getting back his game from the usual scenario (break up) but didn't seem to want Ex back, just wanted to get his game back.

    To the point, a post of what seemed to be innergame advice had a quote from a Cristina Agulera song which said: "You are beautiful"

    I find that this advice is unacceptable, That isn't the only one but it was deffantly one of the more unique/entertaining ones lately. (for the boys).

    Im seeing post from AFC's which almost seem like Damaged Daddy Issued Girls have joined this site and are posting of how they emotionally think women should be treated (Thats what it seem's) as a result, there saying treat women with respect (fair enough, i respect and honor that with all my PUA) but its just that, no gaming advice what so ever.

    What has happened to our community?

    Why are we collapsing?

    What can we do when the second where busy and activety bar drops one percent all the AFC's come out and disgrace everything we Practice, Succeed, Teach, Provide and most importantly Believe in?

    Is this clogging the way for people who really do need the help we can provide?

    Are these people being munipulated to do the same proublems of AFC (by other AFC's)?

    What can we do?
    Men, we need to value our time more then we value women. This isn't to say women are not valuable. But who are we to believe in something so illogical, as men we should realize that without our time(life), we would not even be able to pursue women, but only our mother who gave us life. Why do we think we should prioritize them over our time(life) unless she is the one who gives me/my children life. Man is Sovereignty.

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    Default Re: Calling Other AllStars - (Major Concern) - Tyrone1991

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone1991 View Post
    It has slowly become more comman, Today I saw a thread (no fingers pointed) with a guy in need of help of getting back his game from the usual scenario (break up) but didn't seem to want Ex back, just wanted to get his game back.

    To the point, a post of what seemed to be innergame advice had a quote from a Cristina Agulera song which said: "You are beautiful"

    I find that this advice is unacceptable, That isn't the only one but it was deffantly one of the more unique/entertaining ones lately. (for the boys).
    So, may I ask about why telling someone to work on their belief system is a bad thing? Or was it just the quote "You're beautiful?" And I don't mean to critique how you teach, but if there is a case where you don't like a way another person teaches, why don't you recommend ways in which they can, right there on the spot? Or just ask them not to teach on the forums until they've proven themselves... on the internet...

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    Default Re: Calling Other AllStars - (Major Concern) - Tyrone1991

    I am not an all-star but hear me out: this is a natural reaction to whenever something (in this case PUA) goes mainstream.

    The first thing to do is not panic. PUA is living in exponential times. The ratio of competent PUAs to AFCs is going to get out of whack. Not only that, but we are an internet forum. Anonymity plus the leveling up system creates a dynamic for people to put out there opinions, whether they are founded or not.

    As for solutions, I can think of only two: either create an invite only forum, or create a blog page that only has 'the good stuff' on it.

    If however, we wish to create a place for people to openly ask questions, we will have to realize that this will happen, but notice patterns for looking for the good posters.

    patterns:
    1. They set a signature and profile picture
    2. They are descriptive with there problems
    3. They tend to post more than others

    Now these are correlations but they are a good place to start. You will have to show some more trust with who to add to the 'inner circle' of who can be trusted to give proper advice. That way if you do get busy these trusted posters will be able to still retian the integrity of PUA.
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    Default Re: Calling Other AllStars - (Major Concern) - Tyrone1991

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone1991 View Post
    I've seen a lot of this happening too, but I don't think it's necessarily as cataclysmic as it might seem: worst case scenario is newbies get bad advice, take it to the field and (eventually) learn from their mistakes. That being said, it would be better not to circulate mistake-making tips to begin with.

    What has happened to our community?


    I know us college guys have been getting busy and that's a lot of us (Tyrone, Autismus, Bandit, Xavier, Meteora, DGMortal, Cody, Virgil, and how many others; plus everyone else gettin ready for the holidays). Busy isn't an excuse, it's just a reality. I expect our collective activity goes up after mid-terms, then down again around finals, up again at winter break, etc.

    What can we do when the second where busy and activety bar drops one percent all the AFC's come out and disgrace everything we Practice, Succeed, Teach, Provide and most importantly Believe in?

    I think the "level up" / rep bars on the forum take care of this. I remember when I first started (and still now) when I'd post a question, first I'd look at the person's exp/rep before reading the advice. Kinda discriminatory yeah, but it's a way of knowing whether the stuff someone posts is theory or something they know from reading the forums or field-testing. Also with that being said, the nature of a forum is that it is an open discussion to anyone/everyone. Experience and reputation does not warrant the priviledge of advice-giving, though it might be the pre-requisite to advice being taken.
    I think it's a needed part of the learning process, for an emerging PUA to be able to give advice and then get feed back on his advice - see what the more exp guys agree with or disagree with, or acknowledge and add follow-up details to; also to see what the recipient of their advice replies later with to find out what works.
    So I guess I'm saying that I feel like (HA... feel) AFC's giving advice is actually a good thing because that way they can have their theories critiqued and/or field tested, rather than just stepping aside to let the AllStars and Top30 handle it.

    P.s. As an aside, I have occasionally found nuggets and gems composed by some new guy. (This isn't a compelling part of my point, just an interesting aside)


    What can we do?

    Stay active and keep it real. First we just need to stay active, helping and analyzing what/where we can. And we also need to keep it real, in the sense that we all were AFC once (that's why we're here) and remember that there is no absolute line between AFC and PUA, between "can give advice" and "shouldn't". For example I've been doing really well in college game, and in daygame, I'm alright in night game (killer at parties) but put me into dancefloor game and I turn AFC. I certainly have my strengths but also a few sticky points here and there. I have theories about things I don't know very well and sometimes I give advice on things I only partially understand, with the faith that someone who knows it better will come up behind me and point out where I was right and where I was wrong. We gotta keep it real and add our input as advice as well as example.
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    Default Re: Calling Other AllStars - (Major Concern) - Tyrone1991

    Okay, first post:

    firstly we give advice - advice involves giving a method to what were refering to, simply just saying inner game, negging, openers, Approach Anxiety, trainagles whatever it is, its useless if you do not tell people how to do it or guide them to the location (linking) of where they can learn the technique, simply suggesting things and saying phrases mean nothing to some one who knows nothing about them.

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    I'm not sure you get the point of this thread and are just suggesting logical facts, AFC are giving advice and it doesnt work, it just prolongs the success of the person seeking help, some of the crap i have read on this i could garrantee wouldnt work over the age 17, it may be cute when your just going through puberty but Its AFC advice and it is not helping those who seek the help. Its setting them back, of course you all have a right to your opinion, but there is a process to the advice given on this site and its called (Field Tested).
    Men, we need to value our time more then we value women. This isn't to say women are not valuable. But who are we to believe in something so illogical, as men we should realize that without our time(life), we would not even be able to pursue women, but only our mother who gave us life. Why do we think we should prioritize them over our time(life) unless she is the one who gives me/my children life. Man is Sovereignty.

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    Default Re: Calling Other AllStars - (Major Concern) - Tyrone1991

    Thank you Autismus, Yes there is the good ones too, it has nothing to do with reputation, some lvl 4 give good stuff becuase they come on wanting to share there knoledge, But there not AFC's. They are new to the forum. Im talking purely bad advice.
    Men, we need to value our time more then we value women. This isn't to say women are not valuable. But who are we to believe in something so illogical, as men we should realize that without our time(life), we would not even be able to pursue women, but only our mother who gave us life. Why do we think we should prioritize them over our time(life) unless she is the one who gives me/my children life. Man is Sovereignty.

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    Default Re: Calling Other AllStars - (Major Concern) - Tyrone1991

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone1991 View Post
    Okay, first post:

    firstly we give advice - advice involves giving a method to what were refering to, simply just saying inner game, negging, openers, Approach Anxiety, trainagles whatever it is, its useless if you do not tell people how to do it or guide them to the location (linking) of where they can learn the technique, simply suggesting things and saying phrases mean nothing to some one who knows nothing about them.
    I felt like he already knew a basic overall of the subjects in which i was speaking about, and he proved it later in a post in the same thread. But you're right! Thanks for the feedback man! I'll leave references or explain in more detail next time.

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    Default Re: Calling Other AllStars - (Major Concern) - Tyrone1991

    okay 1 person taught ^^^ i'm a little happier now 100,000 to go.
    Men, we need to value our time more then we value women. This isn't to say women are not valuable. But who are we to believe in something so illogical, as men we should realize that without our time(life), we would not even be able to pursue women, but only our mother who gave us life. Why do we think we should prioritize them over our time(life) unless she is the one who gives me/my children life. Man is Sovereignty.

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    Default Re: Calling Other AllStars - (Major Concern) - Tyrone1991

    Oh I see! My apologies, I read the thread and thought you were panicking over the whats been happening, and I always find facts to be comforting!

    P.S., I was not implying that we should listen to the AFCs but I was trying to make a system to separate the AFC's from people who know what they are talking about.
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    Default Re: Calling Other AllStars - (Major Concern) - Tyrone1991

    Tyrone,

    You're out of control. This thread is completely uncalled for. If this was intended for the AllStars, why would you post it on The Forums? Why not Slappy Pete's?

    As far as I'm aware, the intent of the AllStars was never to assert ourselves as dominant. The same applies to The Expert's Thread and things of the like. Examine our history and you'll see that nothing about the AllStars was premeditated; it just happened. That's how being a leader works. That's how being a true alpha male works. There is nothing admirable about asserting yourself as a man of power. The true test of a leader is one who comes about when the time calls for it, then steps back when he is no longer needed.

    Bill has a rep system in place. It works. The top ten guys give sound advice and you can trust that what they say is legimate (which includes you). Some are in The AllStars and some have respectfully declined. It doesn't matter. We are no better than them nor they than us. We who have come together as The AllStars have done so because of something great: We have become friends. We share stuff exclusive from that which we share here, and hopefully that is incentive for some to strive in want of joining us.

    Yes, The Community is booming. Yes, there are a lot of newbies. If you want to use labels, the AFC to Proficient PUA ratio is a bit whack, but that's why we write threads. There was a time when we could respond to every single post, but that time is gone now. There was also a time when I could tell who the next up-and-comings were going to be, but that time is gone as well (at least for me). Some of you guys (The AllStars) throw out names every once in a while, and though I don't always have the time to look into them I trust your judgement.

    You talk about chumps giving other chumps chump advice (one more time, chumps). While assumed responsibility may be admirable, we all have to come to an understanding that some things are outside of our control. We can no longer "run" The Forums so to speak, but in time we won't have to. Those who stick around will read our threads and refer others to them. We hunt down Tyler and Ciarian's threads. They read ours. See what I'm getting at? We are the next generation.

    I want guys to see our logo and know this: You can trust us. We all know each other and keep one another in check, and that's exactly what I'm doing here. You're a good guy Tyrone and a great PUA. While I'm sometimes a prick, I hope it's just the slap in the face that some guys need and not to the point of condescending. I don't want us to be known as the overcompensating d*cks.

    I think that's it. Oh, and to sum up my motivational speech...

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