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    Argorne is offline Aspiring PUA
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    Arrow Mastering the Connoisseur (NDR)

    Ok, I want to completely own this woman's passion and soul. It's not just a friends with benefits I'm after. I call upon any and all experts on making the most of a relationship with a connoisseur (NDR) to put the information on this thread and make this thread something of value to anyone wanting to make the most of relating with this type of woman.

    I struggle with her shyness about sex and her making it SO important and having so many specific hoops to jump thru. She has so many conditions it's hard for her to get thru them all herself and open herself up to her own libido let alone guide me thru her labyrinth of conditions.

    I really want her chasing me instead of the other way around too. So much of the time she's off in her own private little world of self entertainments and the thing is I know she's not getting the fulfillment she deserves in her life from them, but that's the other thing, her sense of personal deserving isn't really high.

    So first question, how do I teach her to make her personal gratification more of a priority? That's its ok to go after what SHE wants and to actually WANT something for herself? That would include making time for personal physical pleasure seeking. She just doesn't make it a priority right now. When she loses her sense of self worth she flounders in all aspects of her life. She just turns into a workaholic. She's made pleasing me so important and investing in me so important that she undermines herself or so it seems to me. It backfires.

    My experience is that I can't really get her turned on when she's undermining herself for whatever reason she thinks something else is more important. If she invested 1/10th as much in herself as she does in others her whole life would be transformed. Getting her to do that is like pulling teeth.

    Somehow I have to completely restructure the rewards system in her life and find how to push her buttons in the right direction and sequence. I welcome practical suggestions to that end and thanks in advance.

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    Antonio Padua is offline Aspiring PUA
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    Default Re: Mastering the Connoisseur (NDR)

    Investment, investment, investment! I have a NDR, great relationship. Find something small she invests in you and turn that around into something you're grateful for, when in private pay her back with a kiss. NDR advice is rare on the forums :/ I want to see that turn around! Thanks for this post.

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    Antonio Padua is offline Aspiring PUA
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    Default Re: Mastering the Connoisseur (NDR)

    Also, find a balance/variety between your attitude of excitement and calm and listening. Never make her feel like your zoning out. Always have your head in the same place as her.

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    Default Re: Mastering the Connoisseur (NDR)

    Mastering the NDR is far easier to say then to do.
    You have to be calm but confident and show her that u are a people person in spite of u're calmness. Take control but don't be a controlling douchbag u're job as a man is to be kind and gentle. Defend urself when provoked but don't be a brawler unless u have to. Pay attention to her saying something like u're eye shadow mashes u're shoes will make her so happy (this is just an example don't thaat weird). Tell her to help you with some practical stuff. Talk about the why things work like that of every single stupid meaningless detail. Above all when u guys are alone don't stop looking at her even if she body rocks even if she turns her head away no matter what when u guys are alone it's all about her when she feels that she will make it all about u.
    "The world will never change much less become what you want it to be. The only thing that can change is you. Face your fears, grow stronger and become what you want to be."
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    Default Re: Mastering the Connoisseur (NDR)

    -NEVER tell the NDR that u like something about her b4 she starts to invest even after she shows ioi's cuz she WILL use it to her advantage. e.g: if u tell her she has a nice smile she won't ever show it to u unless she's happy with u. You see her goal is to tame you and she knows how to use theese small psychological tricks in order to do it and do it good cuz she can keep her frame VERY well
    -Tell her how u think Never how u feel.
    -Don't show emotion b4 she does cuz when she sees that she'll wanna take control and potentially loose her and it's hard to take it back from her.
    -She's easy to get if u keep control of the frame.
    "The world will never change much less become what you want it to be. The only thing that can change is you. Face your fears, grow stronger and become what you want to be."
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