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Thread: (SOCIAL PROOF) what defines alphas and leaders from betas and providers

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    Lightbulb (SOCIAL PROOF) what defines alphas and leaders from betas and providers

    I think lots of people, especially teenagers in the 1st world, are kind of lost inside themselves. Lots of people want to be leaders, and lots of them can't really find one to guide them. The thing is, alphas in the pre historic tribes were the resource and defense managers and the "between" in the relacionships of his people. And, I know this topic is a little far to be considered in the art of pickup, but it can be related. So, one of the objectives for attraction is being an alpha, an alpha's main characteristic is social proof and social value and the point is: if you try to be a leader and gain a lot of social power, you can't do that by providing and showing of material goods like the so called "swag", money, or "how sociable and dramatic" your life is. Your life as a leader should occupy your main attention, but not all your attention. Your main task as leader, be it a small or big leader, is to be the manager and the amplificator. Your mission is to make connections between people, make peace between rivals, connect everything and everyone you know to gather resources (like, calling a friend who provides guests to discos so other friends of yours can enjoy a wild night) and to remember every people you know that they have something to provide for the good of the group, using emotions, or spreading your friends name (like telling someone you have a friend who makes great paintings and showing his works of art).

    This is more of a phylosophical thing then PUA material
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    Default Re: (SOCIAL PROOF) what defines alphas and leaders from betas and providers

    This is one I'm willing to jump back in on, mostly because it has some to do with women, but it's mostly about what comprises a man.

    First, I just want to throw out that I don't mean to be a jerk, but I'm going to attack the syntax. If English isn't your primary language, don't take this personally.

    This is all too complicated when it doesn't need to be. Forget "Alpha" and "social proof" and lets just think in terms of value. Forgive me because I haven't studied evolutionary sexual selection in a few years, but I believe the premise is still the same. Men were leaders in ways that were applicable at the time. Strength, primarily, was (debatably) the most important attribute of a man of value. That is why being fit is still valuable today--leftover wiring from past millennia.

    ^But that's only because strength was power. Wit will outdo strength, and by extension money. That's why wit (and money) have "evolutionary" value today--they represent value in today's society.

    So, one of the objectives for attraction is being an alpha, an alpha's main characteristic is Social Proof and social value and the point is: if you try to be a leader and gain a lot of social power, you can't do that by providing and showing of material goods like the so called "swag", money, or "how sociable and dramatic" your life is.

    This is confusing to me, but what you say about "swag" is true, but not class. Class is value, and being a man of value is really the ultimate goal. Valuable men get what they want, period.

    ...that was all very philosophical, which is cool and all, but not helpful to the average person. I'm going to break it down in layman's terms:

    Simplified: "Alpha" and "Social Proof" are synonymous with value. The goal is to be a valuable man, because valuable men get their way. They get the women they want, the lifestyle they want, and are self=sufficient. You become a valuable man having skills and attributes about yourself that are scarce.

    Your main task as leader, be it a small or big leader, is to be the manager and the amplificator.

    Lastly, I disagree with this. Leaders and managers are two different kinds of men. Managers are in charge of other people; leaders aren't. People follow managers because it is their job; people follow leaders of their own freewill. Managers take into consideration their subordinates; leaders are wholly focused on the mission.

    Think about it. You have had managers in your life. They may have taught you a lot, and they may have been great people, but you ultimately didn't look up to them. Leaders don't get put in management roles, and if they do they mnake sh*tty managers.

    You look up to leaders, not managers.

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    Default Re: (SOCIAL PROOF) what defines alphas and leaders from betas and providers

    Well I agree with his post. So many people focus so much on the techniques and then can't put it into action once they really need too. Example the guys who stop mid text conversation and then post of the forum for advice on what they should say. Example guys who insist on opening up with silly comically and extremely random talk about nothing then falling dead in the water because it's not in their character to be that way. I would personally like every on to focus more on the Science behind pick up. I'm a huge fan of Pick up, But i don't necessarily agree with everything they say. Example I think ROSS Jeffries is the best pick up artist. He has a wealth of knowledge That can't be touched. Still I don't agree with everything he says. I don't think you have to improve the life of every single girl you date. There are Pua's who say you shouldn't cheat and the condemn you for doing so. I don't personally care one way or another if you cheat. Its none of my farking business. You wanna score? I'm happy to assist you. I don't care if its with your GF's mom. I may caution you against it, But I wont condemn and tell you thats against the rules of Mystery. People are entitled to have their own personally convictions about shyt.Your goal shouldn't be to repeat verbatim what works for TYLER DURDEN. Your goal should be to understand why what he says works. Once you get to the point of understanding the science behind it, Your inner and outer game will be extremely strong and most importantly they will match. You will become a congruent lady killer. By learning the techniques and gaining a understanding you become more organized. That being said a Alpha is more than a organized person. He is a mobilizer and a leader of men. Its science behind this though. learn and know your role so that your inner game supports your outer game.
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    Default Re: (SOCIAL PROOF) what defines alphas and leaders from betas and providers

    If you want something go get it.
    You have a dream, so protect it. Don't believe when someone tells you you can't do something. Follow your dreams, no matter how many obstacles may be on the way, because that's what we're supposed to do.

    You're going to fail several times, but success is built open loads of failures. Skills is only developed after hours and hours of beating on your craft.
    Visualize what you want to become everyday and do everything you can about it.

    Ultimately this is what leaders are. People who seek their goals no matter what the world may think. Because it doesn't matter. It only matters the voice that says "I want this, I need to achieve it.". That's a fire that just keeps burning. That's called determination.
    Determination is one of the most important things to have. If you follow your goals and can be able to still get on after taking heavy shit, then you're a leader. And this is applicable to everything. Work, pua, friendships, etc.

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    Default Re: (SOCIAL PROOF) what defines alphas and leaders from betas and providers

    Thats a very good question.. However you should make a new post and pose that question.. I'd be more than happy to answer it there. That way we can make sure the threading doesn't mix up too much on this particular post here.
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    Default Re: (SOCIAL PROOF) what defines alphas and leaders from betas and providers

    social proof doesn't necessarily make you a leader/alpha. I think it helps allot, but I've seen men without social proof get plenty of women.

    Lets take my best friend Nick. He was absolutely crazy as a kid. He's the archetype of a bad ass biker to the core. He does whatever the hell he wants 100 percent of the time. Does he have allot of social proof? No! He's not that popular of a guy but he does score some good women occasionally, and they stay with him until he breaks up with them.

    Why you ask? Because he does whatever he wants when he wants. He is 100% sure of every decision he makes, and he looks out for himself first. These qualities make him an alpha male.


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