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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Haha. My friend has to be a chick right.

    Thanks again man, will let you know how it goes. Will probably ask her out on Tues or Thurs.

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Update: Asked her out in person at the gym.

    "Hey HB9! Busy?"
    "Yeah, client waiting."
    *Touch her arm*
    "Let's go out on the weekend."
    "Weekend? What time?"
    "What time are you free?"
    "Ummm ... talk later, client" *makes cute texting gesture*.

    But no text from her since. I'm waiting it out right now since I'll see her tomorrow at the gym anyway. And I figure I shouldn't seem to eager by bombarding her with texts asking if she's figured out a time.

    Any guidance bro?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot View Post
    What I like to do is to actually talk to as many people as I can besides her. I know this seems ridiculous, but being the social center simply can't be overrated. Just go in, own the room and have fun with it.

    Definitely don't ask her. If it's one on one, then say something like this: "I've got a little bit of free time on Sunday after I meet with friends/go to the conference/do something important, and I'm going to check out the Korean coffee place. What time should I pick you up?" You might add, "I don't know if they speak English I'm going to need help ordering."

    Then if she somehow musters an excuse; "Yeah, I really shouldn't, so busy! Just have to carve out time for new experiences and fun, you know?" tap her shoulder "I'll just ask my other Korean friend, she works across the street from me, and I know she wanted to go as well."

    Man I am diabolical!

    Yeah, sit opposite until you've had sex.

    Honestly, I'd bank for however long, but see how it goes. If it's not going well, fake a phone call, and tell her "I have to go, my friend needs a hand with something, and I've got to help her out real quick."

    Just some ideas man. You'll nail it, just have fun. Laugh no matter what happens.

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Hey Nom,

    My best friend is korean. He only dates korean women because it's easier for him. He doesn't have the wit and charm of a natural, but he is alpha (not necessarily in the PUA sense, but the kind of guy who has to be in charge, type A personality)

    This is what he told me - Korean women are attracted to alpha males (like obvious alpha males). Maybe much of it has to do with the culture because it is a very socially contentious society when it comes to guys. A lot of testosterone, chauvinism, amoging, headbutting, etc, etc. (In larger cities like LA, just go to K-town and you will see it - the fights, the macho-man attitudes). Women don't have the same respect and equality there as in America. FYI Korea has the highest suicide rate in the world and most of it are women. As a result of that, they gravitate towards those kind of men, especially if influenced by their fathers and shaped by culture in general.

    Having said that being 'nice' is seen as a weakness. If they ever tell you "Oh you so niiice, you sooo niiiice..." it's a double speak of saying "Oh you so stoopid, you so stoopid."

    According to my friend, dating them is very easy. If you are not Korean, then they may be attracted to you because you are "exotic" or a breath of fresh air from the Korean guys they grew up with.

    I've known some FOB (Fresh off the Boat) Korean HB myself and no matter how cute or submissive they look, from my experience, they all have this deep seated thing for strong men. I see it surfacing from time to time from the things they say.

    FYI - My friend has no game and goes out with Korean girls left and right. Much of it has to do with his alpha hungry/ambitious personality.

    When dealing with them, my best advice is stay alpha or fake it til you make it.

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Thanks dude, I've still be pretty on the fence about this because she doesnt SEEM like that type but hey - can't argue with the Korean guy.

    And I do get the sense she was originally attracted to me because I'm physically alpha. Hopefully my stupid texts havent fked that up.

    Don't want to do a 180 either so I guess I'll just slowly tone it back to appearing not to really care about stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by I.M.Mortal View Post
    Hey Nom,

    My best friend is korean. He only dates korean women because it's easier for him. He doesn't have the wit and charm of a natural, but he is alpha (not necessarily in the PUA sense, but the kind of guy who has to be in charge, type A personality)

    This is what he told me - Korean women are attracted to alpha males (like obvious alpha males). Maybe much of it has to do with the culture because it is a very socially contentious society when it comes to guys. A lot of testosterone, chauvinism, amoging, headbutting, etc, etc. (In larger cities like LA, just go to K-town and you will see it). Women don't have the same respect and equality there as in America. FYI Korea has the highest suicide rate in the world and most of it are women. As a result of that, they gravitate towards those kind of men, especially if influenced by their fathers and shaped by culture in general.

    Having said that being 'nice' is seen as a weakness. If they ever tell you "Oh you so niiice, you sooo niiiice..." it's a double speak of saying "Oh you so stoopid, you so stoopid."

    According to my friend, dating them is very easy. If you are not Korean, then they may be attracted to you because you are "exotic" or a breath of fresh air from the Korean guys they grew up with.

    I've known some FOB (Fresh off the Boat) Korean HB myself and no matter how cute or submissive they look, from my experience, they all have this deep seated thing for strong men. I see it surfacing from time to time from the things they say.

    When dealing with them, stay alpha or fake it til you make it.

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    "Hey HB9! Busy?"
    "Yeah, client waiting."
    *Touch her arm*
    "Let's go out on the weekend."
    "Weekend? What time?"
    "What time are you free?"
    "Ummm ... talk later, client" *makes cute texting gesture*.
    Quick tip: decide beforehand when you want to go. And when she asks "what time?", then you go "11am, we're going to the best brunch you've ever had". If you ask her to decide, you're not confident. You're a man, man! And if she can't, usually she will offer another time that works better for her. And if she really can't, well... go anyway!

    Also for the texting (I will go back to it below), you were right that she probably loves texting, but "good morning/good night" are boring. You become expected, and predictable. Keep her on the edge!

    Now, for the whole "Korean/Japanese" thing... This is my specialty haha, so let's share the knowledge! I have moved in the US two years ago from France, but unfortunately am absolutely not interested in American-culture girls (too "manly", no romantism - though it might be specific to New England girls haha), so...

    Mikalichov's guide to Japanese and Korean girls:

    Disclaimer: I will use "Asian girls" during the explanation, but I am specifically referring to "girls coming from East Asia and having been in the US (or your country) for only a short time and still have their original culture". So it is more about culture than ethnicity. I also have a lot more experience with Japanese and Korean girls than with Chinese girls, so your mileage may vary. I will also compare them to American girls a lot as this is what I know and what a lot of PUA material is about. As usual when talking about this kind of topics, I hope that won't offend anyone. I don't want to make a stereotype, just sharing my experiences.

    With that said:

    Most important thing is that Asian girls are a loooot more sensitive than American girls, so you will have to tone down a bit. Most of the PUA stuff you learn about still works, but you have to tone it down.

    Most guys they have had experienced with were super beta. So if you over alpha her, she won't be able to handle it. But you still have to be alpha.

    NEGS:

    For example, you can neg them, but it has to be subtle. Say something like "Oh God, are you always such a pain in the ass? ", and she might cry. Yeah, I've seen it happen. This:

    Her: "I'm a nice girl!"
    Me: "Oh no, I don't think you are that nice... wink wink"
    ..was the most I have been able to get away with. And I still had a bit of trouble as she thought I was saying she sucked. So go for NEGS that would work in high school. I personally don't do NEGs unfortunately, so I don't really have examples. The few "kind of NEGs" I do are actually also part escalation or part compliment, I will talk about it later.

    ESCALATION:

    Same goes for escalation. As with all girls, you have to escalate. But TONE IT THE FRAK DOWN. For example, things I do to American girls:

    - randomly slapping her ass when she passes near me
    - "Should we go to your place? Because having sex right here on the floor would be awkward."

    Do this with an Asian girl, and she might pass out.

    Do a lot of physical escalation, going for shoulders -> hands -> hair -> face. Be veeeery careful and subtle with verbal escalation.

    SH!T TESTS:

    As far as I've seen, Asian girls don't do Sh!t tests a lot, as it is a very "conflicty" thing, and they tend to avoid conflict. This is good. However, they will test you, but in more subtle ways, so you might even miss it sometimes. And this is bad.

    They will ask you a lot about your girlfriend, or if you are a "player". Be careful, as they want a guy who is confident, and chased by women, but not a guy who have had hundreds of girls, or who gets a one night stand every week. My technique is simply to not say anything ever, or say something that's an obvious lie. Avoid problems, and build some mystery.

    Her: You have a girlfriend?
    Me: Maybe? / Who knows? / That's a secret/ Nah, I'm looking for applications, send me your resume, you can be my Friday girlfriend.
    Her: How many girlfriends have you had? (rarely had it, as they are afraid of the answer, but it might happen)
    Me: That's a secret / I stopped counting at the second thousand
    EXAMPLES:

    Some of the techniques I use that work well with Asian girls:

    Her: "Where do you come from?"
    Me: *grab her hand, and start putting it in a specific shape, and drawing in her palm with my finger* "So this is France you see? Paris is there, Germany is over there, Spain is there, and fark Italians. And so my place is blablabla"
    ^This works very well, as it's pretty cute, innocent, but still more than they are used to. Holding hands is also a pretty big deal for them (that what bf/gf do), so it starts triggering emotions.

    Me: *talking about random stuff, stops in the middle of a sentence* "Oh, wait, don't move." *go for her face, and remove an imaginary peck of dust from her face* "Here, better, you had something on your face."
    Her: Oh, thanks!
    ^Again, very cute and innocent. But also, Asian girls tend to be VERY concerned by their looks, so they will genuinely be grateful. Moreover, it's a kind of NEG, as it implies you realize she's not perfect, and you don't care. And finally, it gets her used to you touching her face, and comfortable with it.

    It is a classical PUA move, but works especially well with Asian girls. Mikalichov #1 recommandation. Do it as soon as you've had a bit physical contact with her.

    Me: *while talking, and without stopping, rearrange her hair, like putting them back behind her shoulder to clear her neck*
    ^Again, it works as they are concerned with their looks. Makes them more comfortable. And clears the way for the kiss. Also, I love passing my hands in hair, so it's a win-win situation haha. Be careful to not interrupt the conversation while doing it, else it will be awkward.

    Me, while she is coming towards me: *hand gesture to make her stop (palm facing her, you know, the cop stuff)*
    Her: *stops*
    Me: *hand gesture to make her rotate*
    Her: *smiles, rotates*
    Me: *totally check her out, smile* "Nice I love your [piece of her outfit that looks important]" *hand gesture to allow her to come*
    Her: "Hihi, thanks" *come to you*
    ^THIS. This is my secret move. I laughed so much the first time, as I didn't expect it to work at all. And it works wonders, if you got a bit of connection with the girl.

    This works, because it is pretty playful, but still quite innocent. Also, Asian girls tend to be pretty submissive. Also, since she probably put some effort in her outfit, she will like you checking it out. IMPORTANT: even though you comment her outfit, don't deny you were checking HER out if she calls you on it (unlikely as they don't often go for conflict, but you never know). Go like "Oh yeah, definitely. Nice legs too."

    This whole move does several things. First, you take dominance, and you come out as super confident. Second, you place her in the Mindset that she is your woman. And finally, you show to EVERYONE AROUND that yup, you can lead woman around like a boss. Social proof through the roof.

    TEXTING:

    Finally, a short word on texting. Yes, Asian girls are big on texting. Whether it's text, LINE, Facebook, they litterally never stop. Good thing is that it makes it easier to get their number (they often actually ask for mine before I have time to say anything).

    However, all the usual texting rules apply: keep her on the edge, interested, amused, surprised, etc. Lots of good texting guides around, so I won't repeat them.

    All the above rules apply too: NEG and escalate softly.

    And finally a couple more rules regarding how to type. You might be surprised by the ridiculously over the top smiley faces they use, like ヾ(・∀・)ノ or ヽ(*・ω・)ノ. They are fun, and cute, and all that.

    Don't use them.

    They are an overly girly thing, even Japanese/Korean guys don't dare using them. However, since Asian girls use these overly emotional faces, you can't just go "Hey girl, let's hang out". No smiley face at all will end up creeping them out. As a rule, I always try to put one or or in a message. Not more, not less.

    And finally finally, write as you speak. This is not a major point, but helpful. Unlike American girls, they see texting as a full part of conversation, and will just write the first thing that comes to their mind. So do the same - or at least, pretend you are You are a PUA, so thinking about what you write is important, but say it out loud. If it sounds natural, you're good to go

    Conclusion:

    That's it! I don't think I have more now, but I will add it if I can think about everything. I'm open to any comment or remark
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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikalichov View Post
    Mikalichov's guide to Japanese and Korean girls:
    Awesome post, thanks. I did figure it wouldn't be the same as white girls but I wasn't sure how much to keep it down.

    The thing about the negs was helpful too. I already got the impression she wasn't so good with teasing - I just don't know how to do it subtly lol. Maybe I can skip it too.

    Anyway update:

    I saw her at the gym.

    Me: "Are we still on for the weekend?"
    Her: "What time?"
    Me: "Have you figured out what time you're free?"
    Her: "I usually work around 12-2"
    Me: "Ok, I'll meet you Sunday at 3pm."
    Her: "You come to the gym first?"
    Me: "Yeah, I'll pick you up here. See you."
    Her: "Bye" *she touches my hand*

    Do you tend to try and speak simpler when you're with Asian girls or do you just talk normally? Honestly, I haven't been on a date for 4 years so I have no idea how Sunday's going to go but I'd hate to bomb out on my first try haha.

    If she doesn't contribute much to the convo do you reckon this would be too strong a neg? "You're a quiet girl aren't you?"

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    That's a good exchange, good job

    And your neg is ok, but be careful about your delivery

    On a first date, just build rapport. She has to feel like there is a special connection between the both of you, that you know her a lot
    Seduction is a martial art. Reading books and talking to experts is important, and helpful. But you won't progress unless you go out there and fight.

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Any tips on rapport with Asian girls?

    And should I still put a lot of emphasis on Kino Escalation?

    Also, I'm considering sending her a short text confirming the time and date just in case. Thoughts?

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Date went pretty well as far as I can tell.

    Bit nervous at first but I became quite comfortable later on and even managed to get to the stage where she was doing most of the talking and I was just low-energy responding with the occasional spike in interest.

    She did say "Oh did I tell you I have a boyfriend?" but i powered through it without really reacting and she never mentioned him again. Plus I had my hand on her thigh most of the might and was stroking her back.

    Couldnt hold hands or kiss though. I think that's just down to the cultural thing. I gave her a kiss on the cheek when I left and she was blushing.

    Anyway, all in all, lots of Kino, pretty decent conversation. I'm happy with it.

    Now I'm just not sure how to follow up on the date. How soon is too soon to ask her out again? Should it be just casual still? Should my approach be any different?

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    wow good job man... keep it up, dont mention her bf, and when she does, pull the same trick to power through it, and stay focus and she will be yours.
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