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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Haha she's probably initiated with me like twice only.

    She agreed on Sunday to come to a hotel with me. I said I won a free room at work and she should come use the pool with me. She said she doesn't like to swim (i forgot - she told me this before) so I suggested just a movie and she agreed.

    I honestly think she thinks its more innocent than it actually is but anyway. Hoping to get somewhere.

    I'm guessing she's going to be a bit uncomfortable? I've heard a good thing for LMR (not really LMR - just building comfort when alone in a room with sexual Tension) is to leave her and go do something in the kitchen or something to show her that she can leave whenever she wants.

    Anyway, hope all the sexual tension comfort and attraction ive built over the past few dates gets me somewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by I.M.Mortal View Post
    I wouldn't worry too much about the frequency of a girl texting you. That will vary from girl to girl. In your case, it could be the language thing. Some korean and Asian girls in general are shy about their English (not sure how proficient your girl is). And at the same time, I knew some (particularly Japanese girls) who were really good in English and try to use it as much as possible.

    But, in general, I stand by my answer that texting will vary from girl to girl. I wouldn't place too much value in it or be anxious about it. It's not a deal breaker.

    Just take comfort that if she does initiate text with you, it's an emotional checkpoint passed. That means she is thinking of you in the midst of her busy schedule.

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Twice is better than none (which is the case in many instances).

    But that is how it is sometimes. Her family, immediate circle of friends, and bf will have priority. Unless you are some celebrity (person of high status) or someone she is really attracted to, you won't get to that level yet.

    My question to you is what is your goal in all this? It seems that you are trying to F-close her (marking your conquest). Ok so say you do. But what then afterwards? Are you hoping that she will be so sexually addicted to you that she will be a regular bootie call? Steal her from her boyfriend and make her your gf?

    The reason why I bring this up is if you really like this girl (enough to steal her), then F-closing shouldn't or doesn't have to be the goal or indicator of success. If so, depending on her cultural values, this may not be that easy. Someone above mentioned that kissing and beyond means that the relationship is on a different level for these girls. You may be in for a long battle.

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    My question to you is what is your goal in all this? It seems that you are trying to F-close her (marking your conquest). Ok so say you do. But what then afterwards? Are you hoping that she will be so sexually addicted to you that she will be a regular bootie call? Steal her from her boyfriend and make her your gf?
    I have to agree with this. It is very important that you figure as soon as possible where you want to go, as it will help you set your pace and know what you are doing. And especially with a bf, where you have to think right now about how far you are ready to go.

    The reason why I bring this up is if you really like this girl (enough to steal her), then F-closing shouldn't or doesn't have to be the goal or indicator of success. If so, depending on her cultural values, this may not be that easy. Someone above mentioned that kissing and beyond means that the relationship is on a different level for these girls. You may be in for a long battle.
    Though I have to disagree with this F-closed should often be your priority. It can be difficult to achieve, it doesn't have to be your end goal, but everything gets smoother from then. You're actually not interested? Well, you can move on. You want a long term thing? Well, it will be a lot easier now that you've already had sex and you can Kino a lot more easily than before.

    "I don't think we can be in a long term relationship now that we've had sex", said no woman ever
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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikalichov View Post
    Though I have to disagree with this F-closed should often be your priority. It can be difficult to achieve, it doesn't have to be your end goal, but everything gets smoother from then. You're actually not interested? Well, you can move on. You want a long term thing? Well, it will be a lot easier now that you've already had sex and you can Kino a lot more easily than before.

    "I don't think we can be in a long term relationship now that we've had sex", said no woman ever
    Yes, I agree with you that everything does get easier after a F-close. I'm not saying don't do it. But I'll clarify on this point. I've seen situations where it bit guys in the ass because they put so much value on it they screw their game up. They either rush it because they feel that 'hey, if I don't F-close by X amt of time' my game is not good enough" or "if I don't do it fast enough and the longer it takes, the harder it is to get it." You don't want to overthink this stuff. When you start over-analyzing, you create anxiety and you are subconsciously telling yourself 'you are not good enough' As a result, the corresponding behaviors and actions that reflect this will follow.

    Nom here is treading in unknown international waters AND this girl is in a relationship. The difficulty level is up there. Some FOB Asian girls are easy and some are hard. You don't want to wait too long but you don't want to rush to failure. He has to yet secure the K-close and there is already signs of resistance. I hate to see'em get blown out after progressing so well.

    It goes back to goals and ethics.

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    I do kind of feel like if i don't close soon it'll get harder. But as it is, i've already taken 2 weeks lol.

    Honestly, i like her enough right now to steal her. If i can f-close i will but i would like her to be my gf. Does that change my approach?

    Actually, im about to see her in like 4 hours. Going to have a few rounds of pool, go for a walk then take her back to the hotel for a movie. I'm kind of nervous about rejection now since ive put 2 weeks of investment into this.

    From the sounds of it you think i shouldn't push too hard and fast for an f-close. I guess ill just go for k-close today? Hmm ... quite nervous. Not sure how to deal with her leaning away from me (which im pretty sure she'll do) or pushing me off (which i dont think she'll do but i like to be mentally prepared).

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Quote Originally Posted by NomdePlume View Post
    I can't be cocky funny because she doesn't get it so I just smile and be confident and Kino. I think I need to escalate soon though but I have work and so does she (she takes it pretty seriously which I find attractive since my last girl had no sense of responsibility).
    Ehehe this just made me smile!

    No worries man, in a couple of years you'll be happy it's over and you'll feel happier

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    Hey Nom, I know this is a sh1tty conundrum.

    You don't want to take too long moving the relationship up to the next level or else you will lose momentum. You want to try keep things escalating BUT this whole cultural unknown thing is a major cockblock.

    I heard a saying the other day. That sometimes if you like a girl, you gotta be ready to lose her. THIS REALLY SUCKS but it's true.

    My only advice to you is you can still get the F-close, but you will have to escalate from a K-close. If you can't get the K-close, then don't even bother. If you can get the K-close, you are going to have to build quick from there with major Kino. You gonna have to be like a fvcking vampire to pull this off in one night. If you manage to do this all in one night, hell man, you don't need these forums lol.

    You can try Kino's Five Kiss escalation, but instead, ask her if she ever heard of the the 5 types of American kisses.

    ME: “This (kiss her hand) means I adore you”
    ME: “This (Italian style cheek to cheek) means we are friends.”
    ME: “This (Kiss to the forehead) means I am comforting you or I am protecting you.”
    “Do you feel safe now?”
    ME: “This (lean in to peck her cheek) means affection in a loving way.”
    ME: "And this...(lean in to kiss her lips).

    If she pulls away, then tell her, something along the lines of "You wish" or "I guess you will never know now."

    Regarding fear of rejection:

    Hey man, even if you fail, you just accomplish something most guys failed to do. You managed to get as far as you did with an HB foreign Asian girl (where most PUA tactics won't translate) AND she has a boyfriend! And never ever worry about rejection. In order to succeed in whatever you do, you gotta fail.

    Babe Ruth said "Every strike leads me closer to the next home run"

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    The 5 kisses sound good but probably works best if they're already open to a kiss since it's obvious where it's leading.

    I'm pretty much falling back on "too soon?" and a cheeky smile to get me out of a sticky situation, and hopefully that will let me keep trying later.

    Anyway, seeing her in 2 hours. Will let you know how it goes. As always, thanks for the help.

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Arggghh dudes so frustrated. It's like she'll let me do anything except kiss her on the mouth.

    She messaged me while i was out last night and i didnt reply so she wasn't sure if we were meeting up today. Sent a text asking if we were still going out and I said of course and she was like oh no - be there in 30 mins (late). She's never turned me down for a date which is good - i know she'll always make time to go out with me.

    Played a few rounds of pool. She beat me ... i think i perform badly when im with her lol.

    Anyway she's in high spirits and im hugging her again.

    We go back to hotel. Slightly awkward while selecting a movie she can understand (ended up with GI Joe because its action and theres a korean actor in it). Half way through the movie she was basically leaning into me and i was stroking her hair.

    After movie we talked a bit and then she offered to give me a massage (she learned in Korea) and gave me a fucking amazing massage for like 20 mins. Honestly, almost as good as sex.

    After that i asked if she was tired and she said a bit so i pulled her towards me and she put her head in my lap and rested there for like 30 mins. Said she was sleepy but she had to go meet up with one of her clients for a work thing.

    I told her to stay (since she was a bit sick and tired) but she said "i cant, i told you i have a bf in korea". I realised i have no idea how to deal with LMR that mentions a bf so i was just like "that's ok" (habitual phrase of mine) and she said "nooo i don't want to lie to him" but she stayed there with her head in my lap. Eventually she went so i told her to come back after. She kept asking my age (ongoing thing between us) so i said id tell her when she comes back.

    Went to meet up with friends then saw her again at like 11:30pm and we went back to the hotel. She was really cold so i took her to the bedroom and put her under the covers and spooned her from behind. We talked for like 2 hours. Told her i was 23 and she said she was 28 (ouch - she has a bf AND is so much older than me) I was kissing her shoulders, ears and cheek but when i went for her mouth she would hide her face in the pillow and act all shy. When i told her she was beautiful she would hide and be shy.

    But i had my hand sliding up her back and down her bum. I touched up her thigh so high up she may as well have taken her skirt off.

    I just dont get why she'll let me Kino her so much and not let me kiss her ...

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Dude, that is pretty damn good. You being too hard on yourself.

    As mentioned before, the kiss on the mouth is a cultural thing.

    Man, she let you Kino her thighs and ass...You pretty passed all the compliance tests and had a clear shot at the goal. Her body language is speaking to you and defying what her words say. Think about it. "I have a boyfriend" BUT I am letting you kiss me all over my body and letting you touch my sensitive areas."

    Bottom line: There is no logic, just emotion. It's her feeling guilty being attracted to you.

    Next time, I would just start getting your hands to do all the talking. I had a friend who was so good at finessing a girl with his hands, he pretty much could get her to do whatever.

    That's what you need to do. You said she let you kiss her anywhere?
    Well that is just as good as a k-close. Start from her neck and start moving down. At this point, it will be in the jurisdiction of your sexual prowess.

    When she mentioned her bf, it's easy to get taken off guard. I would've joked/tease "Cool. And now you can have a boyfriend in America."

    From the sounds of it, I wouldn't worry so much. You got this won.

    Next time, close.


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