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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Ahh ok. So it's almost like im going for the f-close before the k-close lol. Man its weird.

    I think i feel a bit awkward getting really sexual when she hasnt even kissed me yet. It throws me off. But i guess ill just keep pushing the boundaries. It's hard to get a sexual mood going though because she just gets shy.

    Thanks man, was starting to think id already lost.

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Trust me you are doing fine. She is letting you do all these things to her, she clearly likes you.

    Because she doesn't kiss on the mouth, just work around it.

    Now when your hands do the talking and starts venturing, and IF she does pull away or grabs your hand and stops you with whatever with LMR. Then STOP. If you stop, it's not like she's going to be less into you or like you any less. But if you try to rush F-close her that nite and make her uncomfortable, she will not wanna hang out any more.

    Depending on a girl (any girl), each girl have their boundaries.
    Some girls will fvck you easily, some won't kiss, some will stop you before you take their clothes off, some will let you cuddle but not fvck. They each have their comfort level and you will just have to calibrate.

    If you don't F-close that one time, keep being persistent. She is clearly into you. Sometimes, it may take up to multiple attempts, meaning go on another date with her.

    I credit John Sinn for this advice. He mentioned that there was a hot waitress who was religious that he went out with. First time, when he tried to take off her shirt, she stopped him. After the 5th time, she finally let him fvcked her.

    So it goes back to my original advice of not rushing to Fvck close to make her uncomfortable and being so caught up about the results that your behaviors reflect this. Just go with the flow and not let the anxiety get to you. In a way you have to remain somewhat detached and be carefree and unaffected. Because that is what confident guys do.

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Funny, since that first post I've met a Korean girl too, and have had the same experience of her coming in my bed, and letting me Kino everywhere and kiss everywhere but no kiss on the mouth allowed. So I understand how frustrating and weird that sounds, I'm with you man.
    Seduction is a martial art. Reading books and talking to experts is important, and helpful. But you won't progress unless you go out there and fight.

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikalichov View Post
    Funny, since that first post I've met a Korean girl too, and have had the same experience of her coming in my bed, and letting me Kino everywhere and kiss everywhere but no kiss on the mouth allowed. So I understand how frustrating and weird that sounds, I'm with you man.
    Did you manage to get around it or are you still gaming her?

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Hey dude, 2 thoughts crossed my mind.

    1. Do you think she's using me a boyfriend-substitute to get comfort and stuff from me while her bf is in Korea?
    2. Do you think she's uncertain how safe it would be for her to leave her bf for me (i.e. giving up a safety for the new exciting guy) which is what's making her hold back? In this case, should I change my approach - or even "confess"?

    Quote Originally Posted by I.M.Mortal View Post
    Trust me you are doing fine. She is letting you do all these things to her, she clearly likes you.

    Because she doesn't kiss on the mouth, just work around it.

    Now when your hands do the talking and starts venturing, and IF she does pull away or grabs your hand and stops you with whatever with LMR. Then STOP. If you stop, it's not like she's going to be less into you or like you any less. But if you try to rush F-close her that nite and make her uncomfortable, she will not wanna hang out any more.

    Depending on a girl (any girl), each girl have their boundaries.
    Some girls will fvck you easily, some won't kiss, some will stop you before you take their clothes off, some will let you cuddle but not fvck. They each have their comfort level and you will just have to calibrate.

    If you don't F-close that one time, keep being persistent. She is clearly into you. Sometimes, it may take up to multiple attempts, meaning go on another date with her.

    I credit John Sinn for this advice. He mentioned that there was a hot waitress who was religious that he went out with. First time, when he tried to take off her shirt, she stopped him. After the 5th time, she finally let him fvcked her.

    So it goes back to my original advice of not rushing to Fvck close to make her uncomfortable and being so caught up about the results that your behaviors reflect this. Just go with the flow and not let the anxiety get to you. In a way you have to remain somewhat detached and be carefree and unaffected. Because that is what confident guys do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NomdePlume View Post
    Hey dude, 2 thoughts crossed my mind.

    1. Do you think she's using me a boyfriend-substitute to get comfort and stuff from me while her bf is in Korea?
    2. Do you think she's uncertain how safe it would be for her to leave her bf for me (i.e. giving up a safety for the new exciting guy) which is what's making her hold back? In this case, should I change my approach - or even "confess"?

    First of all, long distance relationship, in general, are failures in the work and doomed from the start. They can work, but I rarely ever see it work or heard of it working. The good news for you is - hers isn't one of the ones bound to work. Her relationship with her current boyfriend is already compromised by her attraction for you is a testament to that. Not sure how long they have been together and how much of it they have been apart. But good to know.

    But regardless, obviously she is not happy with this arrangement from what you told me. A woman in a secure relationship where she really loves her man will not leave herself vulnerable. So I think she is keeping her options open. She is 28 years old and by Asian society standards that's over the hill. She's an unmarried 'cougar' (by her country's standard) so she is looking for greener pastures. Her bf in Korea is just a safety net to fall on if all else fails.

    Don't be a pussy and "confess"! Don't try to fix something that is not broken. You are progressing fine so far. What I do know, is Korean women gravitate towards 'strong' men of alpha quality.

    Remember, for even going out with you and letting you do those things to her, she is playing the field. You are playing the field. Just go out and have fun with her and not have all these expectations to happen by x amt of time. After a while, two things will either happen 1) you lose interest in her because you will start seeing 'red flags' in her behavior that will turn you off and she is not compatible with you to be your gf 2) best case scenario, you both hit it off and she breaks up with her bf for you.

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    Default Re: Bit of a specific situation (Korean girl)

    Ok thanks for helping me avoid an awkward ass confession lol.

    I realised why I feel like im a bf substitute/almost friendzoned. It's because she has something i want and now im doing the chasing. Im not sure if its normal to give the girl more attention/compliments after having been on several dates with them. Is that considered beta or is it just a result of a deeper connection between the two of you?

    Btw i fixed the whole messaging problem. I got Kakao Talk and now we msg a lot. I guess sms is just too formal feeling and chat apps are more casual.

    Should i still try not to show too much interest/give too much attention or am i long past that phase?

    Cheers mate.

    Quote Originally Posted by I.M.Mortal View Post
    First of all, long distance relationship, in general, are failures in the work and doomed from the start. They can work, but I rarely ever see it work or heard of it working. The good news for you is - hers isn't one of the ones bound to work. Her relationship with her current boyfriend is already compromised by her attraction for you is a testament to that. Not sure how long they have been together and how much of it they have been apart. But good to know.

    But regardless, obviously she is not happy with this arrangement from what you told me. A woman in a secure relationship where she really loves her man will not leave herself vulnerable. So I think she is keeping her options open. She is 28 years old and by Asian society standards that's over the hill. She's an unmarried 'cougar' (by her country's standard) so she is looking for greener pastures. Her bf in Korea is just a safety net to fall on if all else fails.

    Don't be a pussy and "confess"! Don't try to fix something that is not broken. You are progressing fine so far. What I do know, is Korean women gravitate towards 'strong' men of alpha quality.

    Remember, for even going out with you and letting you do those things to her, she is playing the field. You are playing the field. Just go out and have fun with her and not have all these expectations to happen by x amt of time. After a while, two things will either happen 1) you lose interest in her because you will start seeing 'red flags' in her behavior that will turn you off and she is not compatible with you to be your gf 2) best case scenario, you both hit it off and she breaks up with her bf for you.

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    Paying a girl compliments...

    There's been numerous posts and a book can be written about this and there has been. But the general rule of thumb you will read about is you can give a girl compliments but it's how you say it and what you compliment her on.

    Generally, you would want to avoid complimenting her on the obvious (things such as how beautiful she is). I know it is tempting, but save it for when you know it's clear to drop your guards.

    One method is to give her a SUPER-SPECIFIC complement. When you guys go out, look for things such as something she is wearing that looks like she went out of her way to pick. For example, this girl I went out with wore a fashionable collar and I straight out complimented her on that. What are you really communicating indirectly to her is "I'm a cool guy. I like to make women feel good (even in bed). If you keep, hanging out with me, I'm going to make sure you feel good." You don't have to overdo it. Just it keep short and brief and leave it at that.

    There's also a shock and awe tactic that's been proven effective. There was once this beautiful cocktail waitress I saw at the Encore in Vegas. Her face was something I can concoct in a dream. Pure perfection. I literally stopped her and spent most of the conversation complimenting her face. I flirted around saying off-the-wall compliments "If you had a baby I'd be so jealous of him. He can look at your face all day and get away with it. But If I keep looking at your face like that I'd creep you out. (pause) Okay, I'm looking away now (looks away and looks back at her) Okay I tried."

    But you are past this stage and "Shock and Awe" wouldn't be appropriate to your situation. But good to know.

    You are not in the clear yet. You still want to maintain attraction. One effective method is push/pull to create sexual Tension. You don't want to ever make yourself too available to keep her longing for you.
    Same goes for your texting.

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    Ahh ok so im still in push and pull phase. I dont think im very good at this - especially when i cant use language.

    Btw since im not meant to confess or anything like that, am i just waiting for her to break up with her bf on her own accord? Am i just trying to push for kiss/sex or am i just trying to have as much fun with her and build as much sexual Tension as i can?

    Feels tough man. Seems like a long battle.

    Also, is it a bad thing that i take her out on a date every weekend? Too available/predictable?

    In regards to the compliments - most of the time i say she's pretty when she tells me about something she got for free. Like when someone does her a big favour or something i go "you know why right? It's because you're pretty". Hopefully that's not as bad since it could be a subtle neg too?

    Quote Originally Posted by I.M.Mortal View Post
    Paying a girl compliments...

    There's been numerous posts and a book can be written about this and there has been. But the general rule of thumb you will read about is you can give a girl compliments but it's how you say it and what you compliment her on.

    Generally, you would want to avoid complimenting her on the obvious (things such as how beautiful she is). I know it is tempting, but save it for when you know it's clear to drop your guards.

    One method is to give her a SUPER-SPECIFIC complement. When you guys go out, look for things such as something she is wearing that looks like she went out of her way to pick. For example, this girl I went out with wore a fashionable collar and I straight out complimented her on that. What are you really communicating indirectly to her is "I'm a cool guy. I like to make women feel good (even in bed). If you keep, hanging out with me, I'm going to make sure you feel good." You don't have to overdo it. Just it keep short and brief and leave it at that.

    There's also a shock and awe tactic that's been proven effective. There was once this beautiful cocktail waitress I saw at the Encore in Vegas. Her face was something I can concoct in a dream. Pure perfection. I literally stopped her and spent most of the conversation complimenting her face. I flirted around saying off-the-wall compliments "If you had a baby I'd be so jealous of him. He can look at your face all day and get away with it. But If I keep looking at your face like that I'd creep you out. (pause) Okay, I'm looking away now (looks away and looks back at her) Okay I tried."

    But you are past this stage and "Shock and Awe" wouldn't be appropriate to your situation. But good to know.

    You are not in the clear yet. You still want to maintain attraction. One effective method is push/pull to create sexual tension. You don't want to ever make yourself too available to keep her longing for you.
    Same goes for your texting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NomdePlume View Post
    Ahh ok so im still in push and pull phase. I dont think im very good at this - especially when i cant use language.

    Btw since im not meant to confess or anything like that, am i just waiting for her to break up with her bf on her own accord? Am i just trying to push for kiss/sex or am i just trying to have as much fun with her and build as much sexual Tension as i can?

    Feels tough man. Seems like a long battle.

    Also, is it a bad thing that i take her out on a date every weekend? Too available/predictable?

    In regards to the compliments - most of the time i say she's pretty when she tells me about something she got for free. Like when someone does her a big favour or something i go "you know why right? It's because you're pretty". Hopefully that's not as bad since it could be a subtle neg too?
    If you not good at push/pull then don't worry about it.

    As for your other question, you are accomplishing ALL THREE. You've stated your intentions/goal that you see her as potential gf material. She will break it off with her current boyfriend once she sees you as a potential bf, but that is not something that is going to happen fast. An F-close is not going to make her your Gf automatically (perhaps make certain things easier and answer the question if you two are sexually compatible).

    It only feels tough because you are overthinking things and worried. It is never an easy battle if you like/care for a girl. I don't think you put her in the same light as a girl that you would pick up and get a same night lay with. Which is fine.

    It's not bad that you take her out every weekend. If she says 'yes' why stop? I don't know if you know, but after consulting with alot of renown dating coaches, for some guys, it can take weeks/months before they get a girl out on a date and have to resort to playful persistence. You got this girl out fast. So trust me, you are doing fine. Just know that there's going to be times when she can't or is not up to it. It might get to your head. It doesn't mean she likes you any less.

    Compliments - As stated in an earlier post, I would avoid any compliments that is in reference to her physical appearance and the obvious. Why? Because it's like saying indirectly to a girl "Hey I'm interested in you because of your good looks." The female mind will interpret it as that. I usually always complement them on something else. For example, I once complemented a girl that she had a strong positive chi aura (internal energy) and she radiates it (she's a white chick and doesn't know what that is). I can feel a buzz when she touches me and how it's unlike anything I ever felt from another girl. Or I would say to another girl "I really enjoy hanging out with you. You have a positive vibe to you." Things like that. You can build a deeper connection that way showing that you are intuitive and observant.

    So this korean girl is a physical trainer and you work out. So how about complementing her positive outlook on physical health and fitness? What you are conveying to her is "Hey I really enjoy hanging out with you because you stay healthy and fit and want to help others do the same. I feel it's important to stay healthy and in shape too. I admire what you do."


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