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    Default My little epiphany regarding LMR

    Again, let me tell you a story. The story of two women, and how they blew my mind. (They blew me too, but that's another story)

    # Girl 1 - First Hints #

    A year ago, I was dating this girl. We were just on a kiss basis, but exclusive. I couldn't invite her to my place, as I was homeless at the time (long story).

    On our 4th date, we go to a pub, and she starts to literally eat my face. My beginner PUA senses tell me "man, she wants the D". I tell her "Hey, want to go to your place to... er... watch Star Trek?". She says "YES", calls a cab, tells him "Get us to this address, FAST! " and keeps on raping my face in the back of the car.

    We arrive at her place, I'm ready to take my clothes off, and she... puts on the Star Trek DVD. I wonder if maybe I misunderstood something, the movie starts, and we have sex before the first scene even starts. Ok, I didn't misunderstood.

    The surprise comes afterwards, when she looks at me and says "waow... we didn't even watch the movie! You're so horny haha, so you were not even planning to watch it?"

    Yup. She was convinced that we were just going to watch a movie. She sent me tons of signs, but was absolutely not aware of it. At the time, I just thought it was funny, until yesterday...

    # Girl 2 - The Revelation #

    Enter Girl 2. Have been hanging out for a while, she threw tons of signs, but always avoided the kiss at the last moment.

    Suddenly, on a Sunday night, she texts me "Hey, I want to try the pizza shop near your place, I'll be there at 1am". The pizza place is closed at 1am, the subway is closed at 1am, I know it, she knows it, this is a booty call. Unfortunately, I slept through it, but let's remember that she offered me an obvious booty call.

    Next day, I take her to get ice cream, to apologize for falling asleep on the previous night. We go, and after a while she's like "Hey, I'm hungry actually! Let's go get the pizza! Oh, but I don't have my ID, so let's buy beer and go eat and drink all that at your place!" I see what is going on, we go back to my place, start eating, and make out. Lots of LMR, she says "No, not tonight...", we end up having sex four times in the following 24 hours (yeah, we both missed work for sex, sue us)

    Afterwards, I make fun of her "No, not tonight", and she tells me "But really, I was not expecting all this! I was so surprised, it just... it just happened "

    Again, she was deeply convinced she had not really sent signals, she had not sent herself in a situation where sex was a possibility, and so on. And that's when I had my epiphany.

    # The Epiphany #

    That's when I realized that I had misunderstood something, and that now a lot of all this made sense. I suddenly understood body language, fake time constraints, disqualifying, qualifying, and so on. Things I knew how to do, I now understood why.

    See, I was aware that women tend to have this rational thinking vs emotional thinking. LMR is the rational mind objecting to something the emotional mind wants. So you tell the rational mind that "no, you're definitely not having sex", while speaking to the emotional mind by acting sexual.

    But what I didn't realize until now is that their rational mind is absolutely not aware of what the emotional mind is thinking. When she says "no, not tonight", she absolutely means it. Even if she is lying down on your bed with super sexy clothes, drinking beer and eye farking you, she totally means it. If she says "Hey, let's go to my place to watch a movie", she means it. Even if she is raping your face, even if her emotional mind is saying "COME ON FRAKMEFRAKMEFRAKME", and giving you all the signs that go with it, her rational mind is still convinced that you are going there to watch a movie.

    The emotional mind is a horny as frak 21yo, and the rational mind is her conservative blind mother.

    Obviously, don't be a douche. If she says no and pushes you back and pepper sprays your face, back off. Else it's rape and you're an horrible person.

    With that said, realizing this just made my game so much more consistent. Most of what we learn is actually a simple technique: speaking for her rational mind, while acting for her emotional mind. Your words and your lines go to her rational mind, your body language and your confidence go to her emotional mind. This is what you do when you qualify/disqualify, when you touch her during conversations, when you neg with a smile, and so on.

    So give it a try for me next time. Keep hitting on her emotional mind, but figure out what her rational mind is thinking, tell it what it wants to hear, distract it. Her emotional mind will be grateful.
    Seduction is a martial art. Reading books and talking to experts is important, and helpful. But you won't progress unless you go out there and fight.

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    Default Re: My little epiphany regarding LMR

    Man, I cant even begin to describe what a great post this is. Good Job buddy

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    Default Re: My little epiphany regarding LMR

    This phenomena you are designing is called plausible deniability. They know they want to get boned, they just don't want you to know they intended for you to bone them, because that would make them seem slutty.

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    Default Re: My little epiphany regarding LMR

    Quote Originally Posted by Suave Kino View Post
    This phenomena you are designing is called plausible deniability. They know they want to get boned, they just don't want you to know they intended for you to bone them, because that would make them seem slutty.
    Ah jeez, that's the one important thing I wanted to say, and totally forgot.

    Yup, I know about plausible deniability, and that's how I go through LMR usually. But I always thought it was deniability towards others, like when they tell the story to their friends, family, colleagues, whatever, they want to be able to say "nah, he just came to watch a movie, and it happened", but inside they knew that they were actually trying to get boned.

    The epiphany was to realize that even internally, they are convinced of this deniability, and strongly believe that "it just happened". I never expected them to not be aware of their own desires, that was a revelation
    Seduction is a martial art. Reading books and talking to experts is important, and helpful. But you won't progress unless you go out there and fight.

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    Default Re: My little epiphany regarding LMR

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikalichov View Post
    Again, let me tell you a story. The story of two women, and how they blew my mind. (They blew me too, but that's another story)

    # Girl 1 - First Hints #

    A year ago, I was dating this girl. We were just on a kiss basis, but exclusive. I couldn't invite her to my place, as I was homeless at the time (long story).

    On our 4th date, we go to a pub, and she starts to literally eat my face. My beginner PUA senses tell me "man, she wants the D". I tell her "Hey, want to go to your place to... er... watch Star Trek?". She says "YES", calls a cab, tells him "Get us to this address, FAST! " and keeps on raping my face in the back of the car.

    We arrive at her place, I'm ready to take my clothes off, and she... puts on the Star Trek DVD. I wonder if maybe I misunderstood something, the movie starts, and we have sex before the first scene even starts. Ok, I didn't misunderstood.

    The surprise comes afterwards, when she looks at me and says "waow... we didn't even watch the movie! You're so horny haha, so you were not even planning to watch it?"

    Yup. She was convinced that we were just going to watch a movie. She sent me tons of signs, but was absolutely not aware of it. At the time, I just thought it was funny, until yesterday...

    # Girl 2 - The Revelation #

    Enter Girl 2. Have been hanging out for a while, she threw tons of signs, but always avoided the kiss at the last moment.

    Suddenly, on a Sunday night, she texts me "Hey, I want to try the pizza shop near your place, I'll be there at 1am". The pizza place is closed at 1am, the subway is closed at 1am, I know it, she knows it, this is a booty call. Unfortunately, I slept through it, but let's remember that she offered me an obvious booty call.

    Next day, I take her to get ice cream, to apologize for falling asleep on the previous night. We go, and after a while she's like "Hey, I'm hungry actually! Let's go get the pizza! Oh, but I don't have my ID, so let's buy beer and go eat and drink all that at your place!" I see what is going on, we go back to my place, start eating, and make out. Lots of LMR, she says "No, not tonight...", we end up having sex four times in the following 24 hours (yeah, we both missed work for sex, sue us)

    Afterwards, I make fun of her "No, not tonight", and she tells me "But really, I was not expecting all this! I was so surprised, it just... it just happened "

    Again, she was deeply convinced she had not really sent signals, she had not sent herself in a situation where sex was a possibility, and so on. And that's when I had my epiphany.

    # The Epiphany #

    That's when I realized that I had misunderstood something, and that now a lot of all this made sense. I suddenly understood body language, fake time constraints, disqualifying, qualifying, and so on. Things I knew how to do, I now understood why.

    See, I was aware that women tend to have this rational thinking vs emotional thinking. LMR is the rational mind objecting to something the emotional mind wants. So you tell the rational mind that "no, you're definitely not having sex", while speaking to the emotional mind by acting sexual.

    But what I didn't realize until now is that their rational mind is absolutely not aware of what the emotional mind is thinking. When she says "no, not tonight", she absolutely means it. Even if she is lying down on your bed with super sexy clothes, drinking beer and eye farking you, she totally means it. If she says "Hey, let's go to my place to watch a movie", she means it. Even if she is raping your face, even if her emotional mind is saying "COME ON FRAKMEFRAKMEFRAKME", and giving you all the signs that go with it, her rational mind is still convinced that you are going there to watch a movie.

    The emotional mind is a horny as frak 21yo, and the rational mind is her conservative blind mother.

    Obviously, don't be a douche. If she says no and pushes you back and pepper sprays your face, back off. Else it's rape and you're an horrible person.

    With that said, realizing this just made my game so much more consistent. Most of what we learn is actually a simple technique: speaking for her rational mind, while acting for her emotional mind. Your words and your lines go to her rational mind, your body language and your confidence go to her emotional mind. This is what you do when you qualify/disqualify, when you touch her during conversations, when you neg with a smile, and so on.

    So give it a try for me next time. Keep hitting on her emotional mind, but figure out what her rational mind is thinking, tell it what it wants to hear, distract it. Her emotional mind will be grateful.
    So Beautifully put. Great job on simplifying that. Last time I failed to break LMR was because I was speaking to her emotionally instead of rationally and telling her that I think we should wait etc but keep kissing her and fondling. That would've drove her crazy. But instead I blew it haha.


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