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    Default Starting club power training - looking for detailed advice

    Let me start with the usual disclaimer: I have a pretty good game. I have a good enough passive game that the ladies come speaking to me directly, and people know that once I start talking, it's won already. My body language is good, I can escalate easily, and LMR issues are a thing from the past. This is not bragging, just a clear estimation of my current progress, and there are still a lot of issues with my game, which is currently very imbalanced.

    There are two things though I really need to improve and have absolutely no experience with: Direct daygame cold approaches, and club game. Yup, those are both important things, I know.

    Direct daygame will be the topic of another post, once I get the balls for it, but first let's start with club game. I just got in a vip list allowing me to get there for free, and so I intend on practicing the sh1t out of it.

    My main issue currently is that I can't use my "usual game" at all. Usually, my strong points while interacting with the ladies are:

    - I'm good at conversations. I can keep it going for a long time, and orient it as I want, to dhv, qualification, comfort, escalation, and voila.
    - I have a French accent. Works wonders.
    - I have a strong "not giving a fark" vibe. Not really caring if people likes me or not, not impressed by how hot a girl is, and so forth. Also works wonders (though it also means I tend to be very low energy, which is also an issue)
    - I have wits, and really good humor
    - I'm super positive, smile 100% of the time, and laugh loudly whenever I see something fun

    And then I go to club, and all of it just becomes useless, not being able to speak being the main issue, as it is a really huge part of my game.

    Surprisingly, I still do pretty well. One common situation is that I am dancing (I dance ok), and a really hot girl will give me a really strong ioi, like generally a huge eyefarking. I would give her a cocky smile, and... not do anything. I would look at her later, she would give me another huge eyefark. Again, cocky smile, and continue dancing. I would look at her later a third time, and she would be dancing and making out with another guy.

    So obviously, after a couple of these, I kind of understood that yeah, I should do something after the first eyefark.

    But... what?

    I have absolutely no idea what to do. Going to her and say (or yell) "Hey " ? Going to her and grind on her? Try to grab her hand and dance with her? Wave my hand ot make her close to me, and then dance? Dance close from her group and wait for her to come to me?

    All of these seem pretty bad, and having really really little experience of clubs, I have to admit I have absolutely no idea what would be the best/right thing to do.

    Therefore, I humbly ask for your help, fellow Game paddawans. Could you explain to an absolute club beginner how a guy is supposed to approach a girl that gives him clear IOIs in an environment where he is not able to speak?
    Seduction is a martial art. Reading books and talking to experts is important, and helpful. But you won't progress unless you go out there and fight.

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    Default Re: Starting club power training - looking for detailed advice

    Hey fellow puas! Ok, time for an update, and some questions.

    I've hit the club a couple of times a week since last time. Haven't even done one approach yet, and still trying to figure it out.

    Have spent time figuring my motivations, and understanding how club works (I'm basically totally new to clubs, all my lays are through my network). Still have a LOT of IOIs, but don't do anything from them. Bummer. Working on getting some balls, as I realize now that Approach Anxiety is the last single issue in my game.

    What I improved: better at getting social proof, better crew when going to clubs (more girls, more extroverted people), better at noticing ioi on opportunities

    And I have two questions for you people:

    1 - I read some people saying that you should not stand outside the dancing floor and watch other people dance, as it's lame and you should instead be inside dancing and having fun. But I also read people saying that you should not just dance by yourself on the dance floor, and instead stay outside and chill and look for opportunities.

    Is one of these better than the other? Which one?

    2 - I am a VERY introverted person. I am litterally at the maximum on the charts. It actually helps my game in daygame, as I can go very fast into deep topics and build crazy comfort. But I'm starting to realize that it actually is a BIG difficulty in nightgame, which is more adapted for extrovert people.

    So any advice for how to maximize your nightgame for introverted people? Or even how to use your introvertedness to help your nightgame?

    Thanks players!
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    Default Re: Starting club power training - looking for detailed advice

    Despite the loud music (which is why I'm assuming you say you can't talk to people) you can actually in fact talk to people and it actually can work to your advantage. I say this because it gives you a reason to get in close to her. The club is a very loud place so if you want to be heard you need to be loud and get in close. Make it so that when you are talking to her your speaking directly into her ear. Based on what you have said I think it is safe to say women find you attractive. So if you are feeling confident enough maybe try taking hold of her hands and placing them on your shoulders or around your neck while you move in close to talk to her and run your game.

    As for the dancing, take action as soon as you notice the IOIs. Obviously you can't go run your game on her while she is dancing, that would kill the fun for her. I think this video I found on Youtube best describes the course of action you should take on the dance floor.

    youtu. be/_jStE6-uQgQ

    I can't post links yet so get rid of the space between the (.) and the (b)

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    Default Re: Starting club power training - looking for detailed advice

    You are basically mind farking yourself here. It's not that hard really. I can easily carry on convo's outside in the smoking area, going up the stairs, at the Bars, or away from the dancefloor where it is quieter. Granted it is really farking loud on the dancefloor I even got so annoyed by it, I let it destroy my last set. Analyzing what went wrong I went in and said on open # 2 "It is too loud in here meet me downstairs later." What happened? Well she left shortly after that seeing how she might have saw this as low value rather than putting a lamp on it and just grinding up with her by taking her to the dancefloor which would have worked since she was totally into me at that point until I tried that weak-minded mini-bounce.

    So anyway try not to overthink it. I have had many a good convo in Clubs away from the dancefloor and you just talk in each other's ear or speak a little louder. Sometimes it is easy sometimes it is difficult. But I will never forget the Cocktail Waitress, the VIP Table Girl, the VIP Girls trying to get frisky with me so go for it and stop mind farking yourself. But yeah for day game we will have to come back to that one later when I actually get some experience going out to do it full blast next year. Next year it is on!
    101 Sets, 30 #'s, 4 K-closes, 1 Date, 1 Bar Pull. My next adventure starts Summer 2014 at the Brewfest, Water Park, Bars, Clubs, etc. Getting Hotels now to prevent driving drunk so really only 2-3 times a month doing Night Game June-Oct. Lots of Day Game.

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    Default Re: Starting club power training - looking for detailed advice

    Thanks people! I actually have my first "success", as I finally did my first approach EVER:

    How I finally did my first approach, how it sucked, and how it felt awesome

    I guess I still have to work on my confidence, and stop hiding behind the dancing excuse. Although to be fair, I am starting to admit that the whole dancing is just not my thing. Like I had a couple girls come and grind on me, and I was like "wtf are you doing o_o" haha
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