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Thread: Chump to PUA: The Breaking Point

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    Default Chump to PUA: The Breaking Point

    PUA journey is hard. It requires dedication and determination.

    I've come a long way. I'm far away from where I want to be but I'm also far away from who I was. I've had successes, failures, embarrassing moments, huge accomplishments, ups and downs. But I was always focused on the progress I make, not the results I get. And it is safe to say that I'm a different man than before.

    This community means the world to me. How much you guys helped me, I can't possibly express with words.

    However, I've always had a -so to speak- fantasy. I'm not from the US and in my country the game is broadly unknown. As much as this situation gives me the upper hand in almost every social interaction, I've always lacked a friend with whom I can discuss the game, in person, face to face. Simply put, I just wanted a wing.

    With this, I turned to my social circle. I tried to help my guys who were terrible with women and needed/wanted help.

    While trying to teach those guys, I've had a brutal realization. Some guys just don't have what it takes.

    I've always assumed that every chump has a breaking point to start to become the guy in their dreams. The guy that is a go-getter. The guy who can see the big picture. The guy who knows what he wants and what to do. Cool, consistent, composed.

    But no matter how hard I push my guys, no matter how many different perspectives I introduce, no matter how many errors I correct, they just can't do it. Even if they're aware that they need to change and get better, they just can't perform. They choke.

    Now I'm sitting here thinking, not all guys are able to even learn to game. I'm thinking that you need an infrastructure to start gaming. And I'm thinking that some guys are just destined to be losers.

    Who knows, maybe I'm just a really bad teacher...

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    What are your takes on this? Do you think game is teachable to every single chump?

    What was your breaking point?
    It's not about who I was or who I'm going to become.

    It's about who I am. Do it right here, right now.

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    Default Re: Chump to PUA: The Breaking Point

    Some guys just don't have what it takes.

    This gets into some of the implications discussed in The Red Queen. The general agreed upon belief among most who identify as (or agree with the philosophy of) PUAs is that genes influence behavior. We predominantly deny a strong sociological perspective, which is exactly what you've said.

    ...and I agree, to an extent. Most guys have what it takes, but that doesn't mean that they're willing to do what it takes.

    Now I'm sitting here thinking, not all guys are able to even learn to game.

    So no, not all, but most.

    But no matter how hard I push my guys, no matter how many different perspectives I introduce, no matter how many errors I correct, they just can't do it. Even if they're aware that they need to change and get better, they just can't perform. They choke.

    If natural selection still worked in the way that it used to, these guys would die out.

    Who knows, maybe I'm just a really bad teacher...

    Or just new to some of the harsher truths of reality as it pertains to masculinity. Here's the real question: Do you want to be a part of the community, or a part of the industry?

    For me, I find it hard to run game anymore, which makes me a poor fit for the industry. But I do enjoy being the go-to guy and having most of the answers. If and when I join the industry it will be like Mark Manson, aside from the central group and progressive.

    The last thing that I want say to you as a teacher is to remember that people have different goals, and you need to teach based on their goals rather than your own. What do they want? You're right, this isn't for everyone, and that's a good thing too. Some guys just want a girlfriend. Cool. Give them the skills to get that. Some guys just want to get laid. I refuse to teach this philosophy but that's up to you. Some guys want it all. Help them the best you can, but realize that if they truly want it they're going to do it with or without you, because a strong man cannot help a weaker unless the weaker is willing to be helped, and even the weak man must become strong of himself; he must, by his own efforts, develop the strength which he admires in you. None but himself can alter his condition.
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    Default Re: Chump to PUA: The Breaking Point

    Honestly I do think any guy can learn PUA. Like you said it takes determination. Rejections and not getting texts or many other things can crush a guy and make him want to give up. For every chump, there's a beta pua in there waiting to sprout out
    You lose some you win some, learn from your mistakes and get better!

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    Default Re: Chump to PUA: The Breaking Point

    Well I like what you said you have come far Wolf24. Nice to see you grow on these forums to become more mature in your PUA walk and talk. The way I see it we are all on different paths. Some people want help others just an instant "magic pill" and some are just not confident enough to apply the skills to approach enough women to learn the Game. For instance I met a 20 yr old buck at a Club. He approached me and started a convo and I immediately told him I was out picking up chicks but on a break at the moment. I took him under my wing and we pushed each other to do the approach. He was very soft and had weak game though he was a good looking guy and pretty cocky. He then settled for a HB6 right when we barely got started a couple of nights out.

    But during the good little run it was interesting to be a leader and he brought his other friend along and I was running most the game doing the first approaches, hitting on 9's, getting numbers, coaching them what to say, etc but he never could create any attraction. He watched me nearly flip this broad talking about only hanging out with girls kinda weird I know. But in the end I wanted it more than him and I couldn't count on him to improve his game as he just seemed lukewarm about it. I think ultimately in the end we want people to be like us and do things the way we do things but the truth is no one shares our enthusiasm. My only competition for Clubs, Bars, and day game is guys running Natural Game to get girls. I may have seen a Arabian Knight running game on some broad I got aa since I saw him doing Kino but not sure if he was a Natural or not.

    But mostly I never meet PUA's in passing and the only one I know in my area seriously approaching hot chicks is myself and other guys I observe will approach selectively but you usually only see them with 1-2 different girls a night but never like hitting up every hot chick in the place like me. I though get a lot of attention and was having a magic moment on the dancefloor with a HB9 and she tried to k-close but I chickened out due to being a noob but in the corner of my eye I could see a group of 3 guys cracking up like rooting for me amazed at what I was experiencing likely because they had perfect vantage point to watch the approach, watch the open, see us start grinding, then see her start to fall for me. Sadly I couldn't pull the trigger.

    But I am working on myself to stop being such a chicken since I think I fear the approach often times. But according to the observations I have made most Natural Gamers (The Alpha Males) are going home with chicks and you see them meet "that girl you gamed" and they are like attached at the hip but you don't want to stand around staring so you walk on assuming it's on for them and over for you. So I noticed they get a bit more of success than I do. But that's why I am a PUA since I have tactics and skills to deploy to get chicks while natural gamers only have luck on their side. That's why when I try taking someone under my wing even if they are good looking they don't share my enthusiasm and not as dedicated as me. Because you won't find a person like yourself it is better to become yourself and live your own dreams not through other people. Friends serve a purpose but WINGs are kind of a drag. Like they say good to have Social Proof/Circle of Friends or Connections in the places you visit but not required since you can still pull it off and not all venues such as Day Game require a large following. But I kind of gave up on investing in Wings but I could always use a Wing to boost my own social value but not to get someone to carry the torch for me or share my enthusiasm. Essentially we can't count on others to improve themselves but just focus on ourselves and hope others one day do it on their own.
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    Default Re: Chump to PUA: The Breaking Point

    Quote Originally Posted by Cody View Post
    Most guys have what it takes, but that doesn't mean that they're willing to do what it takes.
    This.

    It's like anything. Just look at overweight people, or people who smoke, or... spend all day online and never leave the house... anything. In any of those groups there will be those who decide they want to change and do whatever it takes, and they just do it. It's hard work but they stick with it and get the results they want and reap the rewards. At the other end there are those who are happy how they are (or at least convince themselves they are) and make no effort because they would rather continue living how they are. Which is their choice. And then there's a whole range in the middle.

    With me, for example, I'm somewhere in the middle when it comes to working out. I'm fit enough, but a bit weedy. I'd like a better body and I do a few weights occasionally but I just can't be bothered putting in the effort that some guys do. I'm guessing that's the sort of place some of your friends might be - they can see the advantages of improving their game, but maybe it all just seems too hard.

    I think the key is to focus on little steps, and celebrate every small improvement. If you try and climb the whole mountain all at once it's easy to be defeated - just put one foot in front of the other, and remember to look around every so often and see how far you've progressed.


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