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    Cool don't expect immediate results! dedicate yourself.

    I see so many guys who come on here wanting some magic solution, so many guys who want to read one guide and suddenly be an expert with woman. this is the reason there are so many books out there saying they have the solution to getting woman.

    the truth about the pua industry is that they market books and even expensive boot camps using the lie that getting woman can be accomplished with little effort. while these programs and reading materials do often have some secrets of the successful, they will not make you much better with woman.

    I have read dozens of books, hundreds of "guides" from forums, and even took a boot camp with abc's of attraction.

    I'm here to tell you that nothing can replace raw experience. nothing.

    if you want to be good with woman start talking to them. stop buying into all the advice so many people want to sell you. all you have to do to be truly good with woman is dedicate yourself.
    dedicate yourself to making approaches every day, dedicate yourself to trying new things, dedicate yourself to improving your life.

    so many people talk about how they want things to be better, yet they never take any action towards having a better life. this is why therapists make so much money, all they have to do is barely point you in the right direction and you'll give them as much money as they want. I'm here to tell you that they most likely won't give you much good advice, they want you to be there patient for good.

    I challenge you all to go out and chase your dreams. act on your every fantasy, make them come true. you owe it to yourself to improve your life in as many ways as you possibly can.
    now go out and make your dreams come true, when you dedicate yourself anything is possible.

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    Default Re: don't expect immediate results! dedicate yourself.

    Good post! So very true. Reading allot of material actually hurt my game because I started doing things that just weren't me. The thing with all these books is that the stuff works great...for the author. I can tell you right now that 98 percent of the stuff Style and Mystery do to get women does not work for me. It's not how I operate and it's not congruent with my personality. There's many different ways to get women but they all have one thing in common: Having great inner game. This only comes with experience.

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    Default Re: don't expect immediate results! dedicate yourself.

    I see it more as a cycle. You learn about a method in a book. You go out and try it, and it kinda sucks. The more you try, the more you understand WHY it's supposed to work, the more you adapt the method to your own style, and the more efficient it is. Then you go back to reading, understand stuff you saw while in the field, and learn about a new method, and so on.

    For example, palm reading. At first I started doing it seriously, and it was terrible. I don't believe in that crap, and I think it's cheesy as fuck. But then I started having fun with it, use it to be sassy, and so on, because my game and my personality are about humor and sassiness. So after I made fun of a girl for being mean, I would be like "Show me your hand. I love reading palms, it's so interesting. Have you done it already? Ok, let me look. So this... this is your line of being mean. It's pretty long", at which point she usually start laughing But I wouldn't have thought about palm reading without reading PUA books, nor would I have found my personal version of it without going in the field
    Seduction is a martial art. Reading books and talking to experts is important, and helpful. But you won't progress unless you go out there and fight.

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    Default Re: don't expect immediate results! dedicate yourself.

    I was just writing something similar the other day somewhere on here lol. Great minds thinking alike lol!

    I look back on my posts when I joined like two years ago and realize exactly what you said meteora... I was turning into a guy who got women but lost some part of myself in doing so. It's like all I was into was negging or acting like I was better than every chick. To be fair, I did need way more confidence than I had before. I just went to far that way. And it did work to varying degrees.

    But now after having had successful, long term relationships I realize that trying to be the guys who write PU guides is not cool. I am still me. Yes, I don't take crap from women, yes I am still super confidant and not afraid to be a man. But I realized that I do truly like myself and wouldn't want to change much about me. I just needed tweaks.

    And now I feel that my game is even better than ever because I read and pruned out all the stuff that didn't fit who I am or what works for me. Really great feeling. And getting girls is a breeze moreso than ever.

    I would say at the start of learning game, mine was about 5 or 6. Then a year later it was a solid 8. Now truthfully I can see it being a solid 9.

    And I agree... Routines are just fun... My game is so much more natural nowadays but routines and strawberry fields and all that is just cool. My game doesnt depend on them but they are very fun nonetheless.
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    Default Re: don't expect immediate results! dedicate yourself.

    I see it more as a cycle. You learn about a method in a book. You go out and try it, and it kinda sucks. The more you try, the more you understand WHY it's supposed to work, the more you adapt the method to your own style, and the more efficient it is.
    I want to start by saying that I completely agree with this statement, reading books is a good way to rethink your outlook on dating, but I feel in-field experience is more important.

    after some time, I've concluded that the only difference between "naturals" and AFC's is quite simple. the naturals have more experience.
    because ultimately, getting woman is a skill, (just like typing, driving, cooking etc) the more you do it, the better you get at it.

    when I wrote this post I wanted people to realize that being "book smart" is no replacement for raw experience. for instance lets say you're trying to get a job, the interviewer is going to select the most qualified individual. having a college degree or being "book smart" may help you some, but ultimately the person who gets the job will likely be the person who has the most "relatable experience"

    its one thing to know what you should do in a sticky situation and another thing to have experience dealing with similar situations to the one your in.

    I made this post to point out that I was one of those guys at one time, I bought as many pua books as I could get my hands on. reading helped me to get a better understanding of the dating field, but actually experiencing it was absolutely mind blowing. most of the great realizations about dating came from simply talking to woman and more particularly from talking to my female friends about how they felt about dating and about there past relationships.

    in the book "mystery method" by mystery, the author recommends studying 40% and sarging 60%. however I think that it should be a far different ratio, I think it should be socializing 80% (there is a difference between socializing and sarging) and reading 20% ,meaning that you should spend 4 times as many hours talking to people and actually using your skillset, as reading and thinking about it.

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    Default Re: don't expect immediate results! dedicate yourself.

    Yeah that's what helped me. Simple socializing. I neededto know how to do pickup of course but socializing helped immensely.

    Big one for me was accepting invitations. Sometimes I would rather just chill than go out with friends because I wasn't particularly interested in what they were doing. But after learning PU, I just said screw it... Being out is being out even if no HB are there. So I accepted a lot more invites ... And here's the key... I had fun. Making an activity fun for others creates a lot of social value. And that leads to good game.

    Some friends still have my old Mindset and think man, they are picky about where they want to hang out. They don't realize how limiting it is for them and their game. They think they are being selective but just being out with different people is always a positive.
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    Default Re: don't expect immediate results! dedicate yourself.

    I remember writing a similar post on this topic towards the members of the forums who expect to come onto here and get the answer that they want. It seems that those who have done the readings and put in the work understand how the path towards self improvement operates.

    I definitely agree with everything here. I don't think I would have gotten to where I am today if it was not for the thousands of hours of trials, errors, and successes that I had. Reading is helpful because it can open your mind to new ideas, understandings, and experiences, but it can only get you so far. As Benjamin Franklin once said about learning, you only truly learn when you become involved.

    On one last note, I wouldn't say that the guy who writes PU guides is not cool. It depends on which end you wish to achieve when writing them. If you want to make a profit, that's not cool. If you want to try and build up a cult following just for social validation, that's not cool. If you're writing the guides to pass on your knowledge to the next generation of pickup artists in the hopes that they become inspired and learn, then THAT is cool. That, my friends, is one of the reasons to why I participate on these forums.
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    Default Re: don't expect immediate results! dedicate yourself.

    I'm honestly not a fan of the paid stuff. I think forums like this are the way to go. Not because of the advice, but because of the community aspect it. Most people don't have friends that are into PUA or self improvement, so the community gives you that support.

    As far as experience goes, nothing can beat it. The reality is the majority of people reading new information won't push themselves out of their comfort zones far enough or often enough to have real success, but those who do get to the other side realize that it really is a journey. In a culture where instant gratification is the norm this is the kind of stuff you want to teach your kids, that nothing happens overnight. I think if you can push people far enough where they feel that first reward for what they did they will want to keep going. That's when the magic happens, when you realize that if you put in the extra repetitions it pays off, especially because most people aren't doing that.

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    Default Re: don't expect immediate results! dedicate yourself.

    Bravo man bravo. i love your post. As one will say, you can't get the good stuff without trying.
    I may be a starter but I like to help whatever ways I can

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    Default Re: don't expect immediate results! dedicate yourself.

    Well OP good way of looking at it. Like what they they always say. Too many marketers in this world build promises of cloudy dreams when in reality it is quite different. It is usually always the same. Many people promising GET ABS IN 30 DAYS or what have you when I have been working out for 11 months and still no abs to my mid section. Gained 25 lbs of muscle but I haven't had enough time to do hard core cutting which is what you have to do to get abs. But they could just tell the truth "Work out for the rest of your life to increase your physique." So instead they sell quick fixes and overload people with confusing diets when I haven't changed a thing to my diet except drink chocolate milk when I work out, take about 10 grams of protein in my gatorade (work out shake), and eat maybe a little more on my workout days like 4 meals on the days I work out and 3 meals normally and I gained 25lbs this way up to 180lbs now for 6'3.

    But just like that they sell these bootcamps like they are the real deal and costs thousands! I am afraid of going to a free bootcamp because I don't trust them with my CC info as there are a lot of shady practices in business. Anything too good to be true and it usually is. So with that I don't expect immediate results and still haven't got a F-close yet. I have only been laid twice and that was through my prime with women. Never been laid in The Game. But I see my game getting better as I could have bagged this last chick that wouldn't stop calling me but again I choose quality over quantity and all it would have been is a single hookup so I decided I just didn't like her enough to stick around and cut her loose. Felt good to actually dump someone for a change. She wanted me bad too and for a 43 yr old, 13 yrs my senior now I know I can bag cougars if I want to which is pretty dang good. So yeah I could have got laid but I decided to wait since she was only an 8 I think I need to up my standards higher for someone who is like a 9 or 10 that will get my motor running. But I like your thought process OP I think many people want a quick fix for one girl but they fail to see the bigger picture this is a Game at least to me. It took me 100 approaches to start realizing the dating thing is where girls stick around (in the aftermath of texting) and that's how I got my lady friend to stick around and keep coming back for more. Now that I know the process I can go out there next year armed more with the knowledge of how this thing operates.

    And when you first start listening to all the guru stuff it makes little sense till you go out and start mad approaching then you think back and are like whoa. Now I am reading Mystery's book called Mystery Method and it all makes crystal clear sense even if some stuff I won't act on, it syncs well with my foundational in-field experience and knowledge. So reading it gives me uber confidence since now I can go out with knowledge on top of experience and that's giving me a lot of motivation right now to ramp it up next year. But when I first heard about it I was so confused and couldn't remember the concepts now I can actually use them with ease and up my game by adding to my knowledge of being in the field. Which means this past year I was getting burned out by all the experience but just needed to add Outer Game and book knowledge to regain my enthusiasm. I only have 2 books on Pick Up by the way Rules of the Game and Mystery Method which is good for now.

    But after all that I have learned this year to keep getting texts by doing the dating thing, to get laid by pulling off the relationship thing, and to get better in Set. The last girl I approached was a 10 and got massively blown out so I need to up my game but if she was calling me nonstop trust me I would have so bagged her through the LTR facade. But yes I am the perfect example of a noob case as I am a slow learner. Started out N-closing, now getting better at Kino, can K-close more easily but not confident enough for F-closing but I am getting better and better and I just qualified my first girl.
    101 Sets, 30 #'s, 4 K-closes, 1 Date, 1 Bar Pull. My next adventure starts Summer 2014 at the Brewfest, Water Park, Bars, Clubs, etc. Getting Hotels now to prevent driving drunk so really only 2-3 times a month doing Night Game June-Oct. Lots of Day Game.


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