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    Default Re: What Are Your Opinions on Who Pays?

    Quote Originally Posted by drgnsfire12 View Post
    No actually the things my father taught me do work for me.... girls are always amazed when I open the car door for them, or pull out their chairs, or stand up when they get up to go to the bathroom, or when I give them my coat when they are cold, or when insist on walking them to their door when I drop them off .... yeah it's old school but girls love it
    That's different then paying on the first date for a girl you barely know. That's called chivalry. Yes chivalry does work because it makes a girl feel special and that you care. For a long time I used to have the impression that chivalry was a bad thing and I didn't do it. Well, I started doing small things like that the last two years and women do love it. I don't go out of my way to pull her chair out however, I do it if its convenient.

    I do chivalrous things because it makes me feel good. Plus, when you open the door for her it gives you a great opportunity for Kino and you can check out her ass. I always make it a point to let them know I was checking out their ass and how nice it looks.

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    Default Re: What Are Your Opinions on Who Pays?

    Totally agree Direct, I'm not going to knock down a waiter at a restaurant if he goes to pull the chair out .... but there are lots of opportunities to do it and I think it's totally Alpha and goes into the whole protector and taking care of her mode plus it makes them feel special and there is nothing wrong with that

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    Default Re: What Are Your Opinions on Who Pays?

    i try to add a rock paper scissor game for some Kino on whos gonna pay and if she loses i still pay for us anyway
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    Default Re: What Are Your Opinions on Who Pays?

    Let's dissect the anatomy of a guy paying for the first date. When you get to a first date what has the women given you thus far? Other than given you her time, which you have also given her, NOTHING. So when you pay for the date you are doing several things. First, you are creating a hidden contract that suggests that you have paid for her time. This instantly lowers your value because it suggests that you have to pay to be in her presence. Second, it becomes awkward for the woman because she now feels obliged to spend time with you. This creates an awkward situation because the women feels like she owes you something. Third, instead of select quality girls who have strong moral underpinnings, you're pre-selecting for girls who are looking for a free ride.

    Basically, do what you want. But I've never had a problem getting laid because I didn't pay.

    As a final question, are you willing to pay for a girls drinks at a bar when you first meet her?
    Well said Duke. Every word.

    As for paying girls for drinks at the bar, hell no. Well, at least 98% of the time. I can't count the times girls Sh1t tested me with the famous line "Wanna buy me a drink?"

    Only which I respond with one of my many counters. "Buy you a drink? I buy you a drink, the next thing I know you gonna ask for my number and try to get into my pants. Girl, you gonna have to buy me dinner first."

    Again, women like these, they haven't done squat to deserve it and you are weeding out girls who are looking to sucker guys for free drinks. These are the same girls who get into the club for free and now they don't have to spend a dime on their own drinks, thinking they have their pick of guys. Time to turn the tables on them. You choose and put no girl on the pedestal.

    Now, if I do buy her a drink because I'm interested in her...I would usually incorporate it when I give her value after I get her to qualify in some sort of way.

    ME: (I ask her what she does)
    HER: (She tells me what she does)
    ME: Passionate people are a dying breed. So let me ask you this. If you can wake up in the morning and can be in the seat of any job in the world, what would it be? What are you most passionate about?
    HER: (She answers)
    ME: That's really cool. You know what? Let me get you a drink because you got my attention and I want to hear more.

    If she is one of those dumb bishes who doesn't know or have an answer. I just troll her.

    HER: Ohh, I don't know --
    ME: You wanna be a bus driver?


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